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Willie Hernandez
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So you mean this is another instance where you were saying something that didn't make sense, so now i'm either "taking out of context" or "arguing for the sake of arguing". Riiight.
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Fred, i feel honored to receive these words from an upstanding member of this community such as yourself. Thank you. But don't put words in my mouth, that kind of pisses me off.
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This makes sense, but please don't bring back Salty.
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Dude, you literally just said that you don't know why some want the team to play "moneyball" at every position. That's exactly what you're implying given the context presented of "that's why rich teams win". I'm not taking it out of context, it's that your context doesn't make any sense. Enlighten me then, what did you mean by "playing moneyball at every position".
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The Sox are playing moneyball, and being cheap ain't what moneyball is about. This is, at worst, a 150 million dollar team with several high-priced players. What are you even talking about? I get that you want Napoli. But if they fail to sign him and go for another alternative, (like Hart, who may even have more upside and will command a similar AAV to Napoli, albeit on a one-year deal) how is that going on the cheap?
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But the problem is that you've significantly altered the scope of the problem. You've gone from the closer issue to roster construction as a whole. You are moving the goalposts.
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Then the real important piece isn't the closer, but rather a combo of late-inning arms you can count on in pressure situations. That's an entirely different animal.
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This makes zero sense. Lack of a reliable closer isn't the reason neither of them has won a WS this decade. Hell, they've made the postseason several times between the two of them with elite closers without winning jack squat. This, however, makes more sense, but is still misguided to an extent. The closer is important, yes, but having several go-to guys in the BP is even more important, as you present here. Even though he shat all over himself in the WS, the Sox don't even make it without Craig Breslow's and Brandon Workman's contributions, the unsung heroes of the post-season. I was the "Koji-for-closer" club's leader all season long, so it's not like i'm discounting his dominance. He would have been just as important, however, in a relief-ace role instead of the annointed "closer" tag based on an archaic, nearly-meaningless stat.
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Yeah Oakland and Tampa are the two teams i usually use as examples in this argument. I think Oakland clearly wins the battle of turning any good reliever into a closer, since they actually managed to turn Tampa's own ex-reliever (Balfour) into an effective closer.
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Castrovince agrees with you.
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I didn't know we called the truth "horseshit" now.......i can't keep up with the slang kids use these days.
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Fittingly, Anthony Castrovince just posted the following article on the volatility of the closer position: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/anthony-castrovince-signing-free-agent-closers-too-tempting-for-mlb-teams?ymd=20131121&content_id=64090340&vkey=news_mlb Here's a pretty interesting quote from it:
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Well they should lead, given the fact that some teams have weak setup corps and have to rely much more on their closers. Atlanta is an example of this after they lost two of their late-inning relief options to injury. The question is, what's the margin by which the closers lead? Because 15 PA's of high-leverage situations aren't enough to justify the mysticism of the legendary animal known as the closer.
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Yeah yeah this is what you always say when you get caught saying something stupid or flat-out wrong. Pathetic.
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....but you (iortiz) spent most of the season saying we couldn't trust Koji because he did not have closing experience. A lot of us countered that idea saying that Koji was an awesome set-up man, and that a good set-up man could also be a good closer, which you vehemently denied. You are proving your own point wrong.
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Yeah but so have been some of the setup men he's had over the years. Look at Robertson right now.
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Mariano Rivera and David Robertson saw 135 and 120 high-leverage AB's last season respectively. I bet that if you look around the league, that's what you'll see.
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I'm willing to bet the top setup man either sees more or is right there with him.
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Man this is a real good post. However, i'll disagree on the value-added closing, since by your own definition, it varies wildly depending on what said closer is offering on a per-year basis.
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A closer isn't even the guy who's in game-deciding situations most of the time.
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I'm reading all over the internet that people think that Texas landing Fielder has all but secured a Napoli-Red Sox reunion, although some claim the Rockies are a dark-horse candidate and could be the ones who end up signing him. I don't think the Rockies have the kind of $$$ required to fit Napoli into their budget and deal with their other needs, but stranger things have happened.
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Just like any other position if the teams are evenly matched.....
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Yes yes, let the butthurt flow through you.
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....and iortiz himself spent all season saying that Koji "had no experience at closer" and we needed "a stud like Papelbon who is riding on Rivera highway" whatever the hell that is. The fact that he's trying to use this as evidence to prove the "closer is so important" point is both misguided and hilarious.
