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E1, they clearly want to get rid of Theo, they are just making the things easier for everybody. Can't you see that? Really? Since the Red Sox FO let him talk with the Cubs, they clearly want to explore other horizons, otherwise they would have done anything in their hands to hold him back, ANYTHING. But after this mess, do you really think they want him back? I'm not sure why are you taking this Theo's thing so personal. If he gets another job or has 10 job proposals, good for him, nobody is wishing him any bad, but we need another GM who can make us better than we have been last three years. What else can you lose? Another 100 MUSD at FA? Another no go to POs? Etc... But at least the FO gonna try and you can't blame them for that.

Exactly. This is the main premise why GMs often walk from organizations. We are not scapegoat him. It is understood from the beginning, you walk if no longer deliver results. As simple as that. Results. Weren't. Good. Last. 3. Years. Ain't personal, just pointing the facts about his delivery and performance as a GM in that time frame.

If he walks, JH and Co. would be making his exit easier, can't you see? Really? Why are they letting him talk with Chicago? Ultimately, He is under contract for one year, isn't he? . If they like to keep him, they would make everything in their hands in order to retain him, don't you think?. It's clear they want to explore other horizons. We'll be fine E1 don't worry.

As I said, I'd be surprise if he continues. Back to back to back years of failures was too much. GMs heads usually rolls in these situations. Some players should go as well in order to complete the clean up. We'll see.

:thumbsup: Read my sig Jacko :harhar: Just kidding man!

You are crazy too since you want another GM just like us

Just like the narrator said... Aces and legends are born in October. I would say, little bit earlier.

Yup. On the other hand....Do you think that Beckett could be the same 2011-pitcher in 2012? I don't know. I think he'll be somewhere at 3.5-4 ERA. We'll see

Lee>> Lester Lester is a great pitcher, but ain't an ace. An ace doesn't s*** the bed back to back to back starts in crucial moments. Hell, one of those awful September nights would have represented the POs.

This ump is from Mototown

Fister like an ace...

Mo's strike zone in effect but against NY LOL! How does it feel huh?

Agree. A few of us were saying the same about the pitching and a lot of people went to our throats and gave us bad names like pessimists and blasphemers. I had been saying even before the trade deadline that this team had to grab a solid SP, no mattered what cost. Some teams did, we? did not. Our pitching depth wasn't properly built. People still defending Epstein for all this mess. This team was very unbalanced and our offense couldn't bear this team for the rest of the season even being the #1, I said that as well. I even made a thread where I pointed all those signs, and I was called pessimist and crazy again, and the funny thing is that somehow someone told me that I didn't predict this.... Hell, I just wanted to be objective at that point, anyway... we all know the results. As I said as well, I hope that a new GM arrives with fresh ideas, leadership and with better teamworking and management skills.

Exactly. That's what I meant. Blow up the FO and the coaching staff. I would like that some players walk as well like Lackey but let's face the true, these busts are under long terms and expensive contracts thanks to our GM and nobody would trade him, not even for peanuts. It's clear that our top management has showed a huge lack of leadership and discipline execution among a lot other. It's not like "oks Theo, take the money and bring CC, Gonzalez, Lackey etc. and then take the rest of the year off". He is responsible for the whole operation of this team; not only prior the season but during and after it as well. Sure, maybe he doesn't spend the same time with the players like the manager and the coaching staff do, but still his obligation is being observant, mindful, attentive, regardful, watchful, obliging, etc. for what is going on in this team and execute the needed measures in order to correct the issue(s). You can put an all-star team but if you have a poor and weak leadership by the manager, coaching staff and mostly your GM, like ours (last 3-4 years), you will not succeed. This organization is clearly soft from the FO to the manager to the coaching staff (in the end the GM puts or removes this staff). We need a GM and a coaching staff with strong hand. People who can lead "super stars" and not one who make 'em their buddies. A lot of "ifs" "should have played" "what else he can do "they were lucky, we are not" " in the paper...." "OPSs", "2 WSs" . Stop excuses. Front our reality, we have failed back to back to back years. Assume the accountability and mostly accept THE CONSEQUENCES. Our new GM shouldn't be necessary a current employee at the baseball industry. As I said, we need the profile. Someone with great management skills and leadership profile in all aspects. I don't care if he is young or not, that argument is ********. We need someone talented beyond the age. Tons of young and not too young with great experience managing great companies, even bigger than the Red Sox are out there with MBA and PHD degrees, so... Don't be afraid if Theo walks. This organization is bigger than him.

Wow! This team doesn't have leadership and teammate's spirit, starting at the top. I really don't understand why people still defending Theo, Tito, Lackey, etc... :thumbdown is it so hard to see? Really? The more I see the more I'm convinced that SCM is right, blow it up. Lamentable!

This. Agree. BTW The whole thing about Lackey and D-K should be performed in a hollywood terror movie. I hope never see these busts again in Boston.

Like the retro part. Welcome.

Ouch!

How many pitches thus far for Verlander?

Time to go BP.... Wow he is leaving CC.

LOL at CC... He looked ridiculous.

Yup, but you seem to me moderate and calm even when you are attacked for some guys around here. I would be reacting the same way, I don't blame you at all... It's part of a game thread.