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I put this before. A big market team, beyond wins, are rated under this scale: No making POs - Failure. POs - Obligation Win DSCS - Good season Win ALCS - Very good season Win WS -Excellent season Put the number of wins you want.

Here we go again E1. Nothing is controllable. Predictable? Yes. This is not about lucky. Look at the tremendous job that TB has done in the recent years with a limited budget. Even a single win or 5 or 20 or 95 wins are outside of your control, NOTHING can guarantee you an outcome, NOTHING. On the other hand each team makes all the necessary to win as many games as possible according to their budget, farm, market, structure, etc., etc. etc. NY, Boston, Philadelphia, among a few others, have the OBLIGATION to make at least the POs. If they don't do that, it doesn't matter how many games you win against NYY or how many months you are in the first place or how many games you win after 162; the balance score card will show you that you failed. is it cruel? is it silly? is it drastic? no it is not, actually. When you have a record of 3 Y in a row which you haven't won a single PO game, regardless the terrible execution at FA, and even with those 95 W/year or whatever, an imminent fumigation is expected to be executed in your house as happened in our team. A700, SCM33, I and a few others said that and a lot of people called us crazy and pessimist and that these kind of things don't happen in baseball and much less in a team like Boston. This is pretty simple, actually, when you spend those tons of money and you don't make at least the POs as a minimal objective or the ALCS (not win it but at least appear in that series) in order to call it as an acceptable/good season, you simply label the season as a failure. This is called result-oriented view and is how business execute and run their business in order to plan and move forward. Don't believe me? look at the people that have lost their jobs included Mr. Theo, otherwise they wouldn't walk, would they?

Yes, wins is a good KPI in order to rate successful seasons in low/mid market teams. In large market teams, wins are not enough. Wins is not the correct barometer or KPI in order to call a season as successful in large market teams. ALCS/WS/Rings are. You can't ask/demand less to a large market team. They spend tons of money in order to build WS contender teams. Boston is one of those teams at least the last decade. ALCS/WS/Rings is the accurate KPI in order to even consider a season as susccesful in teams like Boston. Sorry, doesn't matter how you want to split those wins, it doesn't matter if you can't support them with making at least the ALCS. Even making the POs is not enough in orden to call a season as successful. That is understood or given that you have to achieve as minimal objective when a season begins, and still, it is not enough in order to call it as successful. Sorry, There's no other way to see it. Hell, It's unacceptable that a team like TB with a 1/4 of your payroll has owned you, let's say, the last 4 years?.

Both players are beasts. IMO Pujols is a better hitter and A-Rod is a better defensive and athletic player. Both are great players. I would choose one or another depending on the conditions of my team, it is not trivial.

Under the radar?... This guy is even better doing that than a Stealth Aircraft I don't know you guys but I'm starting to worry. day after day pass, and out there are less options and any solid move yet at our pitching. Are all our moves going to be Stealth Aircrafts? Scary.

Well, our top 3 better stay healthy and give us at least +-200 IP, otherwise, going to be a loooooong season. Btw Wheeler is back, right?

And the money is not the driver? Yeah, sure! Wow!

What happened with Beltran? He could be another option and play in the field... I'm not against Ortiz, he will produce, the thing is that I would prefer I guy who can play the field as well... But again, my concern is still pitching, pitching, pitching.

Well, going to Boston next year maybe is not a good idea, after all. Going there is far to be cheap from here. I'm not sure whether the trip will worth or not, anymore. Your argument seems solid if we don't bust the cap or maybe BC is just about to probe that is very creative building teams.

well, If that were the case they would be asking top prospects, wouldn't they?

If I were the Angels I would keep Santana as well. What would they ask for him? Youk or what? Seems like that call about Santana is not a myth after all.

Yup. hell, who is this guy? he is oppening his wallet just as fast as John Wayne did with his pistol

well, the first big fish SP in FA just grabbed by another fish . 58/4 Y ? what do you think about this? looking at his numbers and considering his age, it is not a bad deal after all IMO. Seems like the fish is more than serious about this restructure.

Damn!!!!!! The fish will go all the way huh? In spanish you say like this " Estan tirando la casa por la ventana"

Ohh sorry, I totally forgot this one. I don't know why. Well, If Miller is the solution among others like him (long shots) in order to fill the pitching holes we are definitely screwed my friend.

We've been discussing this concern jung, over and over again, and again you are right. You can even sign Pujols and Reyes if you want, and still you won't go anywhere without pitching. Our problem is not our offense, if you rush me, we can face next season with our current offense. IMO Lavarnway, Reddick and Kalish among others like Lowrie and Aviles can handle those offensive holes, regardless you won't clog these talent one more year. Sure, maybe you won't be the #1 offense again, but we will be fine if you balance this team with solid pitching. Our epic collapse was all about pathetic pitching and missing of depth. In fact, our rotation taxed a lot of pressure to our BP and mostly to the best offense of the league, night after night in September. We all know the results. You better Learn. Hopefully they already have everything figured out. Would be very dumb and pathetic if they didn't notice where is damn issue. Maybe and just maybe after this move (Ortiz) and considering that they won't have that room before the LT cap in order to fill those holes in our pitching, they are planning to go over it after all. You know what would be very but very scary, if they were very confident about Bard and probably Aceves in order to make their transition to the rotation and they built an entire BP with a bunch of looooong shot pieces, of course If they didn't bust the LT cap. That my friend, would be a scary movie that I definitely don't want to see.

Exactly. ... and no moves at our #1 priority yet: PITCHING.

One way or another there will repercussions. And still you will need money in order to bring solid pieces unless they are thinking in trades or maybe they are thinking in long shot pieces which would make me worry even more. We'll see.

I 100% agree. If they sign Ortiz and if they do not bust the LT, I really don't see how they are going to fill those pitching holes with solid and proved pieces. This will be interesting and I will be kind of worried if they sign Ortiz and not pitching move yet at that time.