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Bard is not even close to be ready for the shut down job. Maybe It would take him two or maybe three years and become something close to Papelbon, but today he is not ready, let's face it.

What continues murdering the logic is that you don't understand and probably will never understand the fact, that Papelbon is not one of those relievers that you just suggested or one of those Theo's FA busts. Again, he is a proved and successful closer in the AL East in one of the most complicated evioremnts to play the game; and again, as a closer with all that it represents. IMO, the closer spot has evolved a lot in baseball and mostly in the last decade. This is not the case for DHs. Closers are no longer commodities (DHs are becoming) but specialities; don't believe me? How many closers are out there like Papelbon? I wouldn't count not even a handful. Teams that want to run as contenders these days and in the coming future, must have an elite closer, since the league is turning more and more competitive and they could mark the difference between winning or lossing rings. I wouldn't be surprise if setup guys become specialities as well in the near future. But That's me. Yes, stop overpriced and extended contracts but not in your ace in the BP.

Some will tell you that he is not Mo, and certainly he is not, BUT who the hell is better projected than him for the next 4 years, these days?. Regardless he has proved the he can handle the pressure in Boston and consistently shut down games in the AL EAST. What I like the most about the guy is that he has the balls for the job (needed in a closer) and I never heard him complaining or making an excuse/easy way out when he shitted the bed. Hell, he is a 2.33 ERA closer after seven seasons averaging 60 IP +.

Seems like we are not the only crazy in the neighborhood.

SET UP for what? a lose? That made me throw up a bit.

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I definitely like that lineup E1. My only concern would be: since the RedSox arguably are not considering to go over the cap (likely, since let Pap walk), how much money would we have available after these signings (Ortiz, Beltran) in order to fill the other needs which btw IMO those are our #1 priority (SP, BP arms and pitching depth)? we have 20 M before the cap, right? From what I read, Cherington is trying to resign Ortiz, and exploring Beltran avenue as well, but I'm not sure whether he is considering signing both.

If they sign Reyes they will likely run as the #1 2012 WS contender team again, and somehow I have a feeling that NY is moving quietly and a bomb could explode anytime from now. That would piss me off. We? ... Well, you know our story. Seems like we are focusing in the manager, Sizemore and Theo's compensation, but don't worry this November.

A700 es mi compadre! You can be as well

The context was these days?, yes! But in moving foreward context, since he just signed a 4 year contract and with the damn Phillie. That has been the heart of the discussion. Did I miss something? BTW I won't disrespect you E1, as you just did. I blame and sometimes bitch Theo, Lackey, D-K, Cameron, McDonald, etc. but never, ever a poster. I could be disagree but I have not insulted a poster, never, ever. After all, I still like debate with you and learn from you if you allow me. This is baseball. Nothing personal. Peace!

The name is Bard? When you say this, do you mean it in the short term (2012), mid term (2013-2014) or long term (2015-)? IMO 2012 No 2013 Unlikely 2014 50-50 2015 likely

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I wouldn't predict his future matching with those examples. He is better than them. Again, IMO he is more likely in Mo's highway. But that is me. BTW...You wouldn't believe our recent predictions... I'm just kidding dude!

Hey, A700... Do we have a crystal ball? I'd say common sense mixed with expirience and instinct which is better Seriously IMO He is driving in Mo's highway.

I'm realistic. He worth that money. He is in his prime. He is 30. He is mature now. He has the balls to shut down the games. You don't find that around the corner.

Damn!

Yup, oranges with apples.