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I could bet that he goes to Oakland.

When you say this, is because you do run a baseball team, right? Or what is your point? or you are just trying to cover your pointless comment with another sarcastic post? If yes, I'm not interested in play that game.

Lack of raw material is a constant threat and challenge in chemical companies (ask you daughter ) . Demand Planning in Wholesalers. Forecasting and Replenishment in Retailers. Product development in Life and Science companies. Transportation Planing and Optimization in Logistics. Demand generation(leads)/new clients in almost any industry. etc, etc, etc. The Injury thing is a threat and a big challange in Baseball. You have to deal with them. Can you consider them in your business/sportive plan? Can you reduce the risk? Can you absorb their impact? Yes. None GM beyond the industry make excuses about their threats and challenges but the opposite. They are hired to deliver results and deal with these threats and challenges. They are often paid very well to address these issues. They take accountability if something goes wrong. Top Managers do not have room to make excuses. Theo already took accountability of all these issues. He and his crew walked. Some around here still excuse him. I really do not know why. I do not want to sound like a smart ass but unfourtunatly that is the real life and it can be applied to ANY kind of business. Trust me.

Jung, let's say that we go like this. If we do not make the POs again because of injuries in our top 3, will you excuse the FO again? (Sorry, IDK if you excused them for the 2010 and 2011 failures. ) All I'm saying is that since injuries are a very important part of the game, you need to plan them in the short/mid/long future. If you fail because of this over and over and over again, there's a clear sign that they are not doing something well. It's pretty simple, actually. What the hell were those things that they didn't do well? Well, as I said, you can analyse the problem from a lot of angles and period of times. Seems to me that their mid and mostly their long future planning wasn't working out well in this regard (avoid injuries). The goddamn 2010 learninig thing which is part of their short future planining process didn't work it out either. Again, 2010 and 2011 failures will be an antecedent in order to try to avoid this issue in 2012. Will they avoid these issues next season? Today and being honest, the signs tell me.... no. The history has showed us and mostly in our recent teams that injuries are always present in pitching staffs. They think that crappy pitchers can give us that desired depth. They will likely sign Ortiz for +-15 M. Instead, They could have used all that money in signing Kuroda and Wheeler and put a better balanced team and try to absorb this issue. Yes, The offseason ain't over. We'll see how it ends. I'm not sure if I made myself clear. I hope I did. If no, sorry but IDK How to explain it better

Sorry, We are in different channels and I do not agree with you in some passages of your post. I won't try to convince you, though.

Ok.

Depth is a way to counterbalance the injuries. Assertive FA signings is another way to do it. Farm developing is other. Physical conditioning is other. Having a decent medical staff is other. Making smart trades is other. And the the list of direct and indirect things could be endless. All these factors weren't enough (bad planned) to counterbalance the injuries, reason why we failed. From some aspects you learn from 2010, then you plan your 2011 season and execute. No excuses.

Your "consequences" are not accurate. I already rest my case. Read it. Yes, unfoutunatly Boston failed, a lot of of people was fired. Seems like JH didn't accept excuses.

No excuses, those are the concequences you wanted to achieve, no mine. No excuses!.

Not at all ORS, Not at all. Your recap is not accurate.

Nope, I'm just making a point. You are the one who is making this... dense. Hell, you do not excuse the FO, and I definitely don't excuse them for the 2011 failure. What is your point? Go in circles?

We are going in circles now. Ok, they learned very well from 2010.

0 excuses. It's my point. Plain and simple ORS.

For a big market team it is frequently the objective. There is a strategy and a time involved in the process. Is it 1?, 2?, or 3 Ys? IDK but I guarantee you that if the KPI is at least make the POs every year and you do not make it you expect to walk at some point..

sorry ORS I do not want to disrespect you but that is your discussion, not mine. I think that you are missing the point.

It could sound foolish, but it isn't. I never said that money is always the answer. It is part (mostly in big market teams), but ain't the entire answer. Planning goes beyond money. In order to counterbalance this regard you plan other aspects (Depth, farm, physical conditioning, assertive FA signings, etc.) Seems like all these aspects failed in 2011. Sorry, you can't excuse them. As Theo did, you take accountability, and move on (plan better and execute).

All this was based on Lackey was injured in June, to the point that he needed TJ surgery. Said that, and if true and if they knew that Lackey was injured (as Gammon suggested) and let him play (what ended happening), no excuses, they should consider another SP. Bedard was not enough, regardless everybody knew that he was prone to injuries. Hell, you already had injury-concerns and you brought another prone to injuries? Sorry, but It doesn't make sense to me. But beyond that (which was illogical to me -Bedard move-), they should bring another SP. As I said, I do not have clear the options/business environment of that June 2011. You could argue that out there were any. We will never know with certainty. I clearly remember that Pence could be an option for us before the 2011 trade deadline (surly we didn't have the pieces, IDK), but some around here went to my throat and told me "Pence will never ever be traded by Los Astros". He was traded to Philly. My point is, out there are always possibilities, is it going to be easy (like bring another SP), nobody said that, but GMs have to figure it out. It is part of his job. If you want to excuse the FO, it's up to you. Injuries are part of the game and you have to deal with them and consider them in your business/sportive plan (better physical conditioning/, depth, assertive FA signings, farm development, etc.) No excuses.

This a common practice in businesses beyond the department or industry. Yes, the resources are finite. Do you want more money?, show me a strong business case (ROI/NPV/IRR/Benefits, etc), if strong, you have the money. Every GM makes this when asks more budget. I clearly remember Theo taking accountability for the last mess. Words more, words less, He said that he was the main responsible for the 2011 failure. The rest is history. He walked. If Ben is measured with the same criteria (make the POs and once there make a good paper), He is not in a good position right now. On the other hand, if he is just a puppet as jung suggests, somebody else will take the accountability. I guess LL. Now, If the strategy is win 2013 or 2014, fine, but my question then would be... Why the hell they signed Ortiz? At least give the opportunity to your farm, like letting Lav (at least as DH) play, you don't expect to win the ring anyway.