I'm not quite in the old fart club yet and I can't say I remember what you're talking about. I think bellhorn and I can be a little more reasonable and move on with our lives than whatever it is that you two are doing. bellhorn and I disagree on some things and agree on others. bellhorn has a good feel feel for my posting style so I don't think we get into weird spats the way some other posters do. If we have, I've been completely oblivious to it.