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Yes, both sides need concessions. However, the owners could just end the lockout today and Spring Training would start tomorrow.

Owners say no because they wouldn't accept a salary floor that high. (Penalties for missing the floor should be greater than lux tax penalties.) Players say no because they have been complaining about the lux cap implications for years. I don't think they will budge on that unless they are overwhelmed by an offer. Plus, this proposal doesn' tstop players from making the minimum the first 3 years in the league. Why should a ROY/MVP candidate still make the minimum?

To accept a cap, the players would need a floor of 125M and arbitration years to start year 1.

Nope. You can't underpay players for 6 years and then say "well, the largest teams aren't allowed to spend anymore. Sorry." Hard caps artificially deflate contracts. That'd be a no go for me if I was in the union.

When the Pirates are sold to a good owner. Due to Nutting's perceived tendency to put profits ahead of a competitive product on the field, he is often ranked in both the local press and nationally as one of the worst owners in sports,[4][5] earning the nickname "Bottom-Line Bob".[6][7] Despite being the 10th richest owner in MLB,[6] the Pirates have constantly been in the bottom third of payroll under his direct ownership and that of his predecessor and former business partner Kevin McClatchy when Nutting was a minority partner.[8][9] When the Orioles are sold to a good owner. Angelos’s riches remain, but the goodwill and righteous huzzahs are long gone. He’s despised locally and irrelevant nationally. On his watch the Orioles have gone from the team of Cal Ripken Jr. to the team of Chris Davis. Too much meddling and too much losing transformed the former hometown hero into a punching bag and a punchline. If Angelos’s name comes up these days, most likely it’s at or near the bottom of some sort of baseball owners ranking. When the Reds are sold to a good owner. Reds owner Bob Castellini ranks dead-last among MLB owners in net worth The Royals just got a new owner. We'll see how that works out.

According to Fangraphs, Mookie provided the Sox with $100M in production over the years he was being paid the minimum salary. Unfair to subject players like this to cap concerns once they hit FA even if it's only a few teams.

Yup.

It's still a deterrent then?

We know the Sox have been deterred by it. They've said as much.

Well, the owners did lockout the players and then go a month and a half without countering MLBPA's proposal. They should get the lionshare of the blame in this.

In 2002, Law was hired by the Toronto Blue Jays as a "Consultant to Baseball Operations" after impressing Blue Jays' general manager J. P. Ricciardi during the offseason winter meetings.[5] Paul DePodesta had recommended Law to him and Ricciardi asked Law's opinions regarding the approaching Rule 5 draft of that year, and, impressed with Law's answers and explanations, offered him a position with the team.[6] During his time with the Blue Jays, he acted as a major league and minor league scout, contract negotiator, and provided assistance to the team's marketing and sales staffs.[3] Law reached the position of "Special Assistant to the GM" before resigning in 2006 to work at ESPN.[7] Jays Drafts: 2003 - Aaron Hill, Josh Banks, Shaun Marcum 2004 - David Purcey, Zachary Jackson, Curtis Thigpen (Adam Lind 4th round) 2005 - Ricky Romero, Brian Pettway, Ryan Patterson (Robert Ray 6th round) Rule V: 2003 - Talley Haines 2004 - none 2005 - none

Agreed. I have a few players that could be DFA'd this offseason.

I meant if the Dodger traded for him and Mookie refused to sign a deal until the next offseason.

@redsoxstats With college baseball starting next week, BA just released Mock Draft 1.0. It has the Jays taking Kumar Rocker at #23, Red Sox taking Mississippi State catcher Logan Tanner at #24, and no Jud Fabian in the 1st round. Needless to say, this'll be tracked less closely than 2021. Good chance that Fabian regrets not signing with the Sox.

Is this a better question? Would the Sox have been more inclined to give Mookie a higher offer in FA after the 2020 season? 1. Coming off a horrible year. 2. They had reset the lux tax penalties.

Mookie never got to FA. We'd have a clearer answer (maybe) about this if that happened.

It's better to do when they are dead than still living. Today, all of our horses are out in the field and we don't know when they are coming back. Not much to talk about with all the tumbleweeds scooting by.

I just know we have the same few conversations that repeat over and over again. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone change their mind because of an argument on here.

I still think Arauz is on the potential DFA track. He just hasn't improved enough to keep him on the 40 man. You can sign up a few similar players on MiLB deals and have more flexibility with your roster.

I thought you were worried about that horse lying there?

When Bogey and/or Raffy leave: Poster 1: Sox didn't give him/them a competitive offer! Poster 2: Sure they did! Poster 3: They gave him/them an offer, but it wasn't a REAL offer. They knew he/they wouldn't take it. It was just for the fans. Poster 2: It was the offer the best offer they wanted to make. Poster 1: They should have given a more competitive offer. Poster 4: But they couldn't! It would have messed up their budget. Poster 5: And what would happen if there was an injury? Older players just break down. That's going to be about 3 years of a drain on the payroll. He'll/they'll only be worth if for the first 5 years. Poster 6: Or not. Mod: Poster 6 is now banned.

Weird to see Dalbec as a SS there, but in both occasions it was a couple of innings in a blowout loss. I didn't catch any of the games where Dalbec or Devers were off their normal position.

And he's only a topic of discussion because there are no other moves to talk about right now.

We still litigate the Lester contract offer. I look forward to talking about Mookie for the next 10 years. It's going to go well and we will definitely come to a conclusion and sway people to all agree about what were the true intentions of Mookie, Mookie's mom and Red Sox Management.

I think expecting ZERO injuries is foolhardy. You just don't want the injuries to become chronic.