Dojji
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... so we've established that Bard isn't superman.
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Ehh, I'm pretty well set to be competitive now. I've got a lot of innings out of my rotation and a decent lineup. Butler is really my only drastic reach pick.
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Bingo. Schilling did everything he could possibly do to fulfil his contract. Foulke did not. Schill got paid. Foulke did not. THESE are the facts.
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OKIC.
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Isn't that kind of the point? The only reason I'm not doing the same thing is philosophical -- I believe a largely veteran, inning-eating rotation is probably the best way to get a stable team.
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Yeah he's done isn't he Jacko?
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Went with David Bush, not a flashy guy but a steady innings-eater with very good command who really hasn't quite had the excellent career-defining year but should make quite a solid #4 starter.
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Curse you YH. For the first time I am robbed. David Bush, SP
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Yeah, which is why Upton was taken several rounds ahead of Butler. Doesn't change the fact that Bosox21 is at least a bit hypocritical here.
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Actually I'm getting no shortage of power from other sources right now between Drew, Granderson, Dukes, Napoli, and potentially from Gordon. I don't really need to bat Butler above 6th unless he shows he's worthy of it. I've got enough power from the premium positions that I don't need a ton from my first baseman.
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This started when I said Cust was a poor pick for a "make a team that will dominate like in 5 years" contest. Which he is, Cust will be 35 in 5 years and has a very good chance of going the way of Richie Sexson. Not sure exactly why you decided to go on the offensive on my Butler pick after that.
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Career OPS+ Butler 101 Upton 103 Congratulations, you win. Who's proven what in the majors?
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Home runs are not everything. Sure, Upton had a good 2007. That was also his only year where he showed any power at all at the big league level. He followed that up with an injury-assisted terrible year and is following now with a similarly poor performance. It seems to me that you're counting rather heavily on 1 good year from a very inconsistent ballplayer for someone who's harping on my selection of Butler several rounds later.
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No you're right, I got you mixed up with BSN07. You did take BJ Upton though. Exactly what has he "proven?" That he could torment us in a single playoff series? Seems to me you're relying on Upton to become more consistent and improve as he matures as well. And in a position considered by many to be much more critical than 1st base.
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This from the guy who drafted Elvis Andrus???? If you're not prepared to take a few unproven players at this point in the draft, your team is not going to look very good in 5 years because you'll be packing a lot of guys in their early to mid 30's whose best days are in their past.
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Not for the purposes of this exercise. Butler in his prime will easily top a declining Cust and his already marginal contact skills.
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Well, I just see more upside in Butler than you guys I guess. You don't really have to hit a lot of HR's to be a serviceable hitter even at 1B, although it definitely helps. And Butler should hit his share. Even if he doesn't progress that much beyond where he is right now offensively he's still a serviceable young 1B, and he definitely has some ability to improve. And remember that the target is who would be the better team in 5 years -- when Butler's 28 and in the middle of his prime. Combine that with the fact that Butler seems to be doing an adequate job of playing in the field as a defensive 1B and I think that he's a worthy pick. I think of Butler as comping very nicely with Derrek Lee when he hits his prime.
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Oh, I get it. You guys are looking at homers and thinking that that's all there is to power. Butler has sugged over .500 consistently in the minors with one exception where he slugged like .499. It's just that a lot of it is "tied up" in being a consistent hitter.
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Oh, I get it. You guys are looking at homers and thinking that that's all there is to power. Butler has sugged over .500 consistently in the minors. It's just that a lot of it is "tied up" in being a consistent hitter.
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Frankly, for a corner outfielder, especially for a guy in his prime, that's good not great, even with the Oakland factor. And we're talking about where he'll be in 5 years hen he's 35. I would not have drafted Jack Cust. Because when judging a kid under the age of 24 I, apparently unlike some, recognize that you need to look past the big league numbers a little. Butler is fundamentally sound and was drafted early in the first round for his hitting ability. He's shown monster power in the minors and is starting to hit in the big leagues. There's no reason I can think of that that power won't translate.
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Really? Cust OPS: .804 Butler OPS .809 Not to mention that Butler is what, 23? And Cust at age 30 is going to keep pace with the kid over the next 5 years? Butler is rounding into form nicely and is a big part of the reason KC is over .500 right now. He's going to be a freakin' monster.
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I don't think he would lose his power. The way these guys fall is that they lose the ability to make consistent enough contact. That skill with Cust is already pretty marginal. Might I be making too much of it? Sure. But I definitely prefer a guy who starts out with decent contact skills and then adds power on top of it. There's no guarantee in anything but those guys generally last longer.
