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I agree it sounds like a good deal to stay where you are. He did sign with Boras. Boras must see more $ on the market. I would wager Werth signs after Crawford. Boras is going to bank on the desperate team that loses out on Crawford. If the Sox wouldn't go that far for Bay(who is a decent comparable), then I don't see them going that high for Werth. Right now I would say Crawford or Beltran may be in LF next year. I mentioned Beltran before and after reading an article about his upcoming meetings with new management, it sounds like he will be available. And with his high price tag for next season, he's likely not command too much other then salary relief. And although he will make something like 17M next year. I'd rather they do that then sign Werth to 4+ years.

No one is mentioning the 3M left on his deal. That's not chump change. It's gonna make a lot of teams shy away IMO.

Standard routine at this point.

He can't be serious? Even the Yankees aren't daft enough to do that. Anything over 3 years is going to be questionable at best IMO. I mean what are they going to do with him? Move him to 3B and have Arod DH full time? LF?

He always mentions NY. He never says anything about LA, Chicago, Philly, Boston or any other large market. I'm interested to see who else is on the NT list.

If this is true, then I don't expect him to be in Boston next season.

I like this move.

Not surprising. I think the idea was to move him there next season. But with numerous 1B option and not so many 3B one's, looks like they are going to do it a year early.

The problem isn't $ with V-Mart, it's years. The Sox may indeed offer the highest AAV, but I don't see them going to more then 3 guaranteed. Maybe 4, but Theo would probably not find that situation ideal. I think on the open market he is going to get 3-5 year offers. And probably a GM or two blow smoke up his ass about how they see him as a long term catcher and wouldn't move him off the position. Also there is another issue with V-Mart long term. It's if he really foes have to come out from behind the plate. Yes he plays a decent 1B. But me personally I'm hoping that spot is filled by Agon long term(which is reasonable). If Agon is there, the they wouldn't be able to move V-Mart to 1B. That leaves DH, and although his bat is good, he's not your typical DH. Ideally I'd like to see that spot filled with a big power bat or leave it open so to speak to add flexibility to the line up. I'd offer him 3 years/40M before he hits the market and see if he bites.

Congratz Giants! Well played series. Good pitching was the solid back bone of this ball club.

Nothing like the first time you go outside and take a deep breath of air in and your nostrils stick together

Well put.

Is Meh cloned from Gom? Every time I read a post of his I expect to look over and see Gom's name . Or is this common knowledge and I missed something awhile back?

I think Power at the SS position is over rated in today's game. Outside of Hanley and Tulo, who are more then 20-25 HR threats? IMO the ideal SS is athletic with good contact skills and gap power, While being an excellent defender.

This isn't going to end well IMO. I don't see the Sox guaranteeing him 2+ years. I was hoping he would have just been happy if they picked up the option. I was thinking the Sox might go to a Vlady type deal, one year guaranteed with an option year. But it doesn't sound like he's going to be happy with anything less then 2 years guaranteed. He may very well be talking himself out of Boston. What other teams would have interest in him? Especially at 2 years guaranteed. I think he's going to be slightly surprised at how small his market is going to be. I would have been begging for the option to get picked up if I was him.

Type A Bronson Arroyo -- 80.033 - club option Grant Balfour -- 72.923 Adrian Beltre -- 81.633 - player option Carl Crawford -- 85.128 Jorge de la Rosa -- 74.422 Scott Downs -- 76.352 Adam Dunn -- 74.167 Frank Francisco -- 73.171 Jason Frasor -- 73.383 Vladimir Guerrero -- 80.000 - mutual option Matt Guerrier -- 79.569 Ramon Hernandez -- 74.517 Derek Jeter -- 91.304 Paul Konerko -- 78.095 Jason Kubel -- 80.000 - club option Cliff Lee -- 87.500 Derrek Lee -- 74.167 Ted Lilly -- 80.116 Victor Martinez -- 87.054 Bengie Molina -- 72.321 Magglio Ordonez -- 77.436 Carl Pavano -- 75.568 Andy Pettitte -- 80.492 A.J. Pierzynski -- 80.804 Manny Ramirez -- 76.154 Arthur Rhodes -- 72.229 Mariano Rivera -- 88.830 Takashi Saito -- 69.657 Rafael Soriano -- 91.799 Miguel Tejada -- 76.720 Matt Thornton -- 86.214 - club option exercised Billy Wagner -- 83.313 Jayson Werth -- 91.807 Dan Wheeler -- 74.673 - club option Type B Rod Barajas -- 59.459 Joaquin Benoit -- 66.879 Lance Berkman -- 64.762 - club option declined John Buck -- 67.411 Orlando Cabrera -- 66.667 Randy Choate -- 62.460 Kevin Correia -- 57.591 Jesse Crain -- 60.657 Johnny Damon -- 74.359 Octavio Dotel -- 66.473 Chad Durbin -- 57.471 David Eckstein -- 65.801 Mark Ellis -- 74.405 - club option Pedro Feliciano -- 66.855 Brian Fuentes -- 67.055 Jon Garland -- 71.947 - mutual option Alex Gonzalez -- 61.376 - club option Kevin Gregg -- 66.967 - club option Brad Hawpe -- 70.769 Aaron Heilman -- 58.420 Trevor Hoffman -- 62.829 - club option Orlando Hudson -- 70.238 Aubrey Huff -- 60.000 Omar Infante -- 62.338 - club option Brandon Inge -- 67.347 Hiroki Kuroda -- 68.152 Gerald Laird -- 60.045 Adam LaRoche -- 61.667 - mutual option Felipe Lopez -- 67.532 - club option Mike Lowell -- 62.585 Hideki Matsui -- 73.333 Kevin Millwood -- 58.617 Miguel Olivo -- 65.251 - mutual option David Ortiz -- 75.000 - club option Carlos Pena -- 64.762 Jhonny Peralta -- 62.585 - club option Scott Podsednik -- 69.880 - club option J.J. Putz -- 62.213 Chad Qualls -- 56.168 Aramis Ramirez -- 63.187 - player option Jon Rauch -- 69.088 Jose Reyes -- 62.434 - club option Hisanori Takahashi -- 58.650 Yorvit Torrealba -- 63.900 - mutual option Koji Uehara -- 68.010 Juan Uribe -- 65.608 Jason Varitek -- 64.732 Javier Vazquez -- 71.970 Kerry Wood -- 62.778 - club option declined

I think Ranaudo and Kelly are both on the Lester/Buchholz development time frame. I don't see either rushed unless by 2012 it is an absolute need. It's not just pitch development. It's arm development as well. These guys will need to be taught how to handle the workload there are going to have to sustain in Boston. The documented history of pitchers making too large of jumps in IP and injury is too large to ignore. I see Ranaudo/ Kelly making a mid to late season debut in 2013 and be possibly be part of the Sox rotation in 2014. But that's just my point of view.

I wouldn't necessarily want them to move Lowrie. But if they had to I wouldn't be outraged. The other two I would really like them to try and hold on to. As far as pitcher going the other way. The Sox are in a different position the most other ball clubs. With Lester, Buchholz, Beckett, and Lackey all committed to for the next 3-4 years financially(Buchholz isn't inked long term, but he isn't going anywhere either) The Sox rotation if pretty much full at this point. That leaves pitchers in the system who would be ready between now and then the ends of those deals with pretty much nowhere to go. And yes obviously there are always injuries and non of those guys can be guaranteed to pitch every season. But we can't predict injuries. All I know is those guys are locked into the rotation. So with that in mind I think Bowden and Doubront are two guys to go. Those two coupled with Kelly I believe could be the pitching part of the package. And yes it looks like a lot now. But given the Sox FO's track record. I'm willing to wager that in 4 years time they will have a couple guys in the system big league ready. There will be other talent to replace the talent lost in order to haul in Grienke. That is one thing I am sure of with this FO. If they want to keep Kalish then well Reddick becomes an automatic piece. So altogether I have, Kelly+Doubront+Bowden+Reddick+1(this spot is reserved for possibly a C or IF prospect) Jacko can bitch and gripe all he wants, but that is a solid deal that KC will consider. Especially if the Sox are taking on all of his remaining 27M(something close to that off the top of my head) on his contract.