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Show me where you admitted it in that thread. I don't remember reading that. I do remember asking you to admit your error on that particular issue, and you declined. Show me where you admitted you were wrong in that thread. More lies...but you're the credible one. Got it. As for the thread itself, I say we leave our assertions there, as we agreed to in the past. Buchholz? I thought he was injured. I remembered him going on the DL for some reason in the last two years, and he pitched only 90 innings or so in each of the last two seasons. I realized they sent him down because he sucked. When he came back, he was an average pitcher. The point is, about Buchholz, trading a player who's 25 who has yet to show any sort of dominance for an extended period of time for a bona fide ace who makes you the World Series favorite is something I'd do. Changing subjects here...if you were the Blue Jays....would you rather take Buchholz and Kelly or Joba/Hughes and Montero? For those of you that follow the minors, your time to shine. Which package, and why?

You mean like these? It's one thing to have an opinion. It's another thing to be wrong on something. It's something completely different to lie and then accuse others of lying. Back to baseball? Your call.

You lie.

The day you take me seriously, is the day I stop posting here. You're a joke. However, I do like to download porn.

Nope, I was trying to respect the others here. However, I will choose to continue since obviously you will. You accused me of lying, all the while touting stats that were irrelevant. I talk about how he couldn't hit in the AL or away from Coors. You showed how he hit against the AL without differentiating between Coors and away from Coors. This digresses from the point. You can have your opinions, however wrong or right they are. However, you claimed I lied about the stats, and then when I gave you a chance to backtrack, you didn't. When I said Buchholz was injured, I just didn't remember him playing. Figured he was hurt. You said he wasn't, I looked it up, and you were right. He sucked, but wasn't injured. If I did what you did, I would have continued and claimed he was really injured, but the Red Sox lied about it. That's credibility. You don't have it. Secondly..about crying to my mommy, she'd dead, been dead for 10 years. I guess if you did the same, you'd just have to go upstairs from the basement, right? Thought so.

I figured he was injured...but apparently he just sucked. I don't follow the Sox that much. As for the plate appearances thing...you called me out about it, and you were wrong. Not only that, but I gave you a chance to admit your error, which you refused to do. That showed not only stupidity, but a lack of immaturity and credibility. As for the silver platter...Merry Christmas buddy. If he is such an elite hitter, how come no one is rushing to sign this guy, or rumors, or whatever. Did you forget how things were with Tex last year? Every day was a Tex rumor or three. This year? Whatever. As for several people, I don't even remember stallion messenging me. He might have. I have no idea. It numbered close to 10 though. Funny stuff...and you still harp on it. Feel free to continue, and hijack the thread, or drop it and talk baseball, hopefully without lying and making s*** up.

When they lie about stats and then claim that you're lying about yours, that's where I draw the line. Your opinions are one thing. What you quote is another. Example: You've been posting here for a while. You've never made s*** up. You're credible. You may be an idiot, and an absolute moron, but you're credible. Understand? Good...now go play in traffic.

Of course it was. When did I ever say it was a bad deal? It was a great deal.

Always makes me smile to read about you talking about credibility. A good laugh is a great way to start the day, my friend.

I don't think this news on Halladay has any bearing on Halladay's trade value whatsoever. It's still..what? Four months until spring training? It's like Mauer saying he won't negotiate a new deal once spring training begins. Way too much time, and the game for Halladay hasn't begun, and won't begin, until after the Winter Meetings. I expect this to be wrapped up by mid-January.

lol wut?

Why? Could it be because he wants the Red Sox to act like a big market team instead of the Twins or the Pirates? Maybe he's tired of the Red Sox crying poverty when they have the second richest team in baseball? Maybe he just doesn't believe all the Red Sox FO tells him to believe. Are these valid points?

Here is a list from MLB Trade Rumors, with their predictions as to who will be offered arbitration. Who do you agree/disagree with, and why: Bengie Molina (A) - Yes Billy Wagner (A) - Yes Chone Figgins (A) - Yes Darren Oliver (A ) - Yes Jason Bay (A ) - Yes Jermaine Dye (A ) - No John Lackey (A ) - Yes Johnny Damon (A ) - No Jose Valverde (A ) - No Kevin Gregg (A ) - No LaTroy Hawkins (A ) - No Marco Scutaro (A ) - Yes Matt Holliday (A ) - Yes Miguel Tejada (A ) - No Mike Gonzalez (A ) - Yes Octavio Dotel (A) - No Orlando Cabrera (A) - No Orlando Hudson (A) - No Placido Polanco (A) - No Rafael Betancourt (A) - Yes Rafael Soriano (A) - Yes Randy Wolf (A ) - Yes Adam LaRoche (B ) - No Adrian Beltre (B ) - No Andy Pettitte (B ) - No Bob Howry (B ) - No Braden Looper (B ) - No Brandon Lyon (B ) - Yes Brian Giles (B ) - No Brian Shouse (B ) - No Carl Pavano (B ) - Yes Carlos Delgado (B ) - No Chan Ho Park (B ) - Yes David Weathers (B ) - No Doug Brocail (B ) - No Doug Davis (B )- No Erik Bedard (B ) - No Felipe Lopez (B ) - Yes Fernando Rodney (B ) - Yes Fernando Tatis (B ) - No Garret Anderson (B ) - No Gregg Zaun (B ) - No Guillermo Mota (B ) - No Ivan Rodriguez (B ) - No Jason Kendall (B ) - No Jason Marquis (B ) - No Joe Beimel (B ) - No Joel Pineiro (B ) - Yes Jon Garland (B ) - No Justin Duchscherer (B ) - No Kiko Calero (B ) - No Mark DeRosa (B ) - Yes Marlon Byrd (B ) - Yes Melvin Mora (B ) - No Miguel Olivo (B ) - No Mike Cameron (B ) - No Nick Johnson (B ) - No Randy Johnson (B ) - No Randy Winn (B ) - No Rich Harden (B ) - No Rod Barajas (B ) - Yes Ronnie Belliard (B ) - No Russ Springer (B ) - No Scott Eyre (B ) - No Troy Glaus (B ) - No Vicente Padilla (B ) - No Vladimir Guerrero (B ) - No Will Ohman (B ) - No Xavier Nady (B ) - No Yorvit Torrealba (B ) - No

Ban this guy. Yankees trade Hughes and Melky for Lincecum. They follow that with a trade of Cano and Joba for Pujols. On a serious note: Two. 50% shot for all three.

I stand corrected.

I think he would get just as good a return with one year left as he would now. Look at Halladay. At the All-Star break, everyone was stating that the Jays would be lucky to get 60 cents on the dollar on the offers they got at the break. Now...would you say that's true? No. They also need to put someone in that park. AG is their only drawing card. I would be surprised if he was moved this off-season, honestly.

It makes no sense for the Padres to move Gonzalez at this time. He is one of their few drawing cards, and why not wait until he's a year away from free agency to trade him. Illogical. As for trading Hughes AND Joba...I'm on the fence there. There is no way that Clay is worth more than Hughes AND Joba at this time. None of them have really established themselves, but Joba and Phil are younger than Clay, if I remember correctly.

Example, don't twist words around. This was all because of Halladay. As a Yankee fan, I'd trade either Joba or Hughes, plus Montero and maybe someone else for Halladay. When I see Sox fans saying they won't trade Clay for Halladay, it makes me laugh. Who knows what Buchholz will be. I'm guessing, and I acknowledge that you've seen more of him, and definitely know more about him than I do. What I am saying is that so far in his career, he's been average. I'd trade an average young pitcher for an older star any day of the week. Irrespective of how he does, good or bad, my position on this won't change for as long as I'm a Yankee fan.

I know what the stat is supposed to do. I just don't think it does what you say it does. I didn't notice that great of a difference. Honestly. His range looked a little better, he seemed to have gained back half a step. Do I think that 34 year old Jeter was better defensively than 27 or 28 year old Jeter? No. Not in the least. You know ORS...I don't spend the time researching things that are unfinished. Seriously. I look and see a stat that wildy varied with Jeter when he gets a GG firstbaseman as opposed to Giambi, and see someone like Tex have a negative UZR/150 rating...well, honestly, that's enough for me. The formula itself is meaningless. Once the formula is ironed out, fine. Let me ask ALL of you a question: If I came to you in spring training and told you I had a stat that would show that Jeter was one of the best defensive shortstops come the end of the season, and Tex would be a below average defensive firstbaseman, you'd tell me to stop inhaling the fumes from my cab. Even now...if I told you that, you'd still laugh at me. ORS...get your head out of your ass and talk baseball.

Their stats are similar. If you said through that age, then fine, I misread it. I thought you said at age 24. However, you're comparing a pitcher that threw nearly 150 more innings at the same age in the majors. I picked the age because of one thing...it's a constant. Ichiro won ROY even though he was a much older player than the average rookie, and had been playing a level of baseball that is acknowledged to be better than AAA in Japan. I think the most fair you can be is to compare pitchers of similar ages. Why? Because players tend to decline in their mid-30s, regardless of how early they pitched or how late they developed. You yourself said he missed a few weeks to injury. I was quoting you...so I guess I quoted someone who was talking out of his ass which made me talk out of my ass. So the question is...who's the biggest ass? LOL! Wait! Simple research shows the following: Looks like he was injured there, tough guy. Does this make sense to you? Ok...I like Fangraphs. However...why didn't the Red Sox do it? First off, in 2008, he was f***ing terrible. He was optioned to Pawtucket after spring training this year. Injuries to Wakefield and Matsuzaka, and the effectiveness of Penny and Smoltz...and yet he wasn't called up to later in the season, and he was average. Not great...not terrible. I never claimed to know more. I just claimed to not fall in love with every prospect my team touts like you do. Fair enough point. I think he'll be a number 3 in the AL East, and a number 2 elsewhere. I've said that all along. I picked it because it's consistent. There are pitchers who pitched a ton more at a younger age, and by this point they were superstars. I just think that this year is a make or break for him. Honestly, example1, you defend your points well. You should teach certain non-Americans to debate as well. I think that you do believe the hype more than you should. I've heard all this stuff about this kid, and about Hughes, and Joba...but I haven't really seen it. Joba came out guns blazing, but been average after that. Hughes only did well after he moved to the pen, and on the big stage, he s*** the bed. Buchholz had that no-hitter, and has been average. Can any of them become the dominant pitchers that the pundits claim? Maybe. I honestly don't know. However, if the opportunity comes where I can get one of the best pitchers in baseball, and put my main competition behind the 8-ball for the next few years...well...I'd do it. Clay, Phil, and Joba just haven't shown me enough to not give them up for a player that would instantly make me the prohibitave World Series favorite. For this very reason you advocate that Theo do what he generally hasn't done? Okay, that makes a lot of sense. The reason they can't replace pitchers like Buchholz is that there aren't a lot. Not many pitchers who throw 94 with a plus-plus changeup and an excellent breaking pitch. Right, why would you want to know the subject you bloviate about so often? I think I've shown that other pitchers have had similar numbers through age 24 and have turned it around to have great careers. The point is that once you trade him then the book IS closed on Buchholz--for the Red Sox. That's why the decision isn't an arbitrary one, it is one that demands a lot of thought and accurate evaluation of his talent. Again, we can be through with this discussion. I think you've talked out of your ass (Buchholz doesn't throw hard)(Buchholz was injured) enough to show that you don't actually know what (or who) you're talking about. We will let it play out. I think Buchholz will justify being in the Sox rotation next year and that throughout his career few will be disappointed that they chose to keep him and do something else with the $4m-per-WAR that they would have to pay in FA. You disagree. The line is drawn on this player and we will see how it plays out.

Oh ORS...I thought you had the sense to stay out of this one, lol... From what I see on Fangraphs, UZR was only kept since 2002. So...Jeter, who in my opinion, was an average to possibly above average shortstop on ground balls, and probably the best shortstop in the game on balls in the air, had a terrible UZR/150 for every year from it's inception. Articles were written, people killed him all the time for his defense..who was his firstbaseman? Giambi. Now, the Yankees get someone who is acknowledged as one of the best fielding firstbasemen, and what happens? He miraculously, in his mid-30's, mind you, when it is acknowledged he's lost a step in the field and on the bases, has a career year defensively. It's not even close. That crowd about how terrible Jeter was defensively? Not a f***ing peep. Silence.... Coincidence? Did he really get better? A remarkable turnaround in his mid-30s? Get real. By the way, this same stat you preach...listed Teixeira, who pretty much everyone touts as one of the best defensive firstbasemen in the game, as -4.1. The guy won the Gold Glove, and there isn't anyone I know that wouldn't list him in the top five firstbasemen in all of baseball defensively. You'll take one of the most flawed statistical models I've ever seen in baseball. I'll take my eyes in the bleachers over that. Sorry. Gotcha buddy. Thanks for clearing that one up.