jacksonianmarch

Sean Marcum and Dustin McGowan throw back to back gems. String up the nooses, time for some necks to hang.

you guys are going to urinate on this team.

They may be 30 out with 13 left to play

are you ready to call em dead now? This team isnt coming back. I have stared away from the truth too long. The team is bad. BAD.

Donnie Moore.

he is throwing a gem right now. Clemens looks like he is ready.

Joba Chamberlain, 8IP 2H 2BB 0ER 9K yesterday. His ERA is slightly higher than Kennedy's, lol. The yankees draft last yr was ridiculous. Their top 4 picks were all pitchers, Kennedy, Chamberlain, McCallister, and Kontos. Throw in their signing of Robertson and Betances later in the draft for way over slot and they had one hell of a pitching draft. Looking at the top 4 pitchers selected, only one is in Extended ST (McCallister) as he came right out of HS. But the other 3 are in Tampa and wow, are they dominating. Kennedy 5-1 1.45ERA 1.02WHIP 56IP 37H 9ER 21BB 64K .191BAA Chamberlain 2-0 1.61ERA 0.80WHIP 28IP 14H 5ER 9BB 32K .149BAA (missed time with hammy) Kontos 0-2 3.12ERA 1.07WHIP 17.1IP 14H 6ER 22K 5BB .215BAA (currently on MiLB DL) Not a bad start in high A for these guys.

Kilo, Obviously I am a homer, and that is not to be forgotten. But looking at the yankee minor leagues and then seeing what is said about their kids, you have to see how stacked the pitching is. And this isnt just because of the personell, but on the depth of the personell. If a few guys fail, then more than a few are there to step up. That is the hallmark of a good minor league system. In the past, we always had one or two hot rookies coming up, one would fail, one would get traded and we'd be running the same ******** out there day after day. Now, we have a pitching system that is really good, and it is on Cashman for that. Just look at what you have seen thus far. Guys with MLB debuts this or last yr... Karstens- fringe rotation guy who when he is right will throw strikes. Likely a long reliever or an NL 4 or 5 starter Rasner- fringe rotation guy who can throw strikes and has had success to this point. Likely a long reliever or NL 4 or 5 starter. Wright- if he can throw strikes in the bigs like he has in the minors, he has a future in the back end of the rotation. Hughes- ace potential. Clippard- middle of the rotation potential DeSalvo- likely reliever or NL starter. So just the past 100 or so games, 6 guys have come up. 1 with ace potential, 1 with middle of the rotation potential, and 4 fringe guys. All 4 have had at least one successful start and have shown flashes of being solid. But look at what is coming down the pipeline... AAA- Steven White- Mid-rotation starter if he can ever stay healthy Ross Ohlendorf- Mid-rotation starter or setup man if he can stay healthy Humberto Sanchez- out with TJ surgery, but will be a setup man/closer next season JB Cox- setup man of the future, out with elbow surgery (not TJ) Chris Britton- strong season in the majors last yr, dominating in the minors. Relief power arm. AA- Jeff Marquez- Middle of the rotation potential, dominating AA Alan Horne- Ace potential, dominating AA Kevin Whelan- closer potential, recently converted to pitcher (3 yrs ago), still has control issues, but is dominating AA A+- Ian Kennedy- dominating A+ ball ridiculously, mid rotation potential Joba Chamberlain- ace potential George Kontos- dominating A+ ball, mid rotation potential McCutchen- dominating A+ ball, back end potential, possible reliever Mark Melancon- TJ surgery, closer potential if he gets healthy Christian Garcia- mid rotation potential, TJ surgery Claggett- relief potential, throw in in the Sheff trade A- Ivan Nova- too early to tell, but has been hyped in the scouting circles. Robertson- signed way over slot to come out of college, closer potential, DOMINATING ridiculously, needs to move up. Norton- old for the league, last yrs draft pick, likely a reliever Then you have McCallister and Betances in EXT St who both have very high potentials, Betances' potential is the highest in the entire minor leagues in some sites opinions. And then there are the DSL guys who all have very high ratings coming out of the DSL as 16 and 17 yr olds on 2 DSL leagues that dominated. The yankee DSL teams the past 2 yrs have been near the top or won the championship. So it isnt that our minor league pitching is one or two stars and then a bunch of non-prospects. We have 3 or 4 high end prospects and then a bunch of middle tier prospects and they are all approaching the bigs without much hundrance. This is all on Cashman and Oppenheimer. They drafted and traded very well to build up a lot of arms for future deals and future in this organization. Now dont think I am so naive to think that all of these guys will fill their potential. Chances are 70% of them wont make it or will be nothing more than a cup of tea guys. But the high quantity makes it very likely that we could rebuild a quality rotation from within.

The bolded part is a major issue. I love Hughes and Clippard as guys in the rotation right now. No doubt. But they arent the kind of guys who can give you a QS every time out. They are rookies. Rookies are inconsistent. One night, lights out, next night blown out. And with the offense looking geriatric, we dont have the ability to shrug off early deficits. We need guys who can go to the matt and win one that they shouldnt have. Win a game with pitching instead of decent pitching and awesome offense. Either way, the team looks old, slow, and sick. The bats remind me of Varitek's from last yr. Dragging through the zone, topping everything, taking good pitches, flailing at bad ones. It is very s*****. I know people like to use 05 as an example, but the sox 05 was not all that good. This sox team is loaded and will not fall into the long slumps that we will need to catch you guys. Either way, Crunch is spot on. I think Cashman looked at this team as good enough to contend in 07 but very solid in 08 and beyond in terms of pitching. Dont blow up the plan for one season.

congrats on winning the AL East guys. Check the yankee thread.

Honestly, I am very concerned with what is going down in yankee land. This really does not look like our season. Our hitting sucks on days we need them and dominates on days we get a great pitching performance. Inconsistency and age are hurting us in all phases and the one air of invincibility that we have had for years finally looks human. But the word coming out of the Bronx is that this is Cashman's team and he will go down with the ship. Lets wait a second here. The yankees are in the best LONG TERM shape they have been in since 1996. A pipeline of pitching unseen in these parts. How else can you parade a bunch of rookies up here and have some of them actually step up and give some big outings. But they are rookies and expecting them to be consistent or anchor a rotation off the bat is dumb. It wont happen. But considering the fact that 2 pitchers are currently on the major league roster (Hughes and Clippard) project to be starters long term on this team and another (Wang) is 26 yrs old, we have something to build on. Add to that the dominance that high end prospects like Kennedy, Chamberlain and Horne are having and the solid performance of Whelan and Britton in the minors and we have the makings of a young, powerful and very deep pitching staff. Then the biggest wild card of all being a few yrs off in Betances and you have a staff with depth, power, finesse and options. The hitting is further off (the DSL classes the last 2 yrs have been ridiculous and with Tabata and Montero the future is bright, but it will be a long time until they are ready). This is how a dynasty is reformed. Because hitters come and go. But pitching does not come cheap and is not even buyable at this point (sans Clemens). All I ask is that Cashman not take the fall for our team turning geriatric overnight. We knew this day would come. The day when the yankee grasp on the east and on the AL would end. But even coming into this yr, I knew this would be a tenuous yr. Relying on the likes of Pavano as a 4 in your rotation is never a good bet. I had misplaced my trust in Igawa as well, who looks like he wont even get out of the minors, let alone get outs in the majors. But overall, this team has a future like no other. Hell, the guys down on the Tommy John list could be headliners on most teams prospect lists (JB Cox, Humberto Sanchez, Christian Garcia, and Mark Melancon). This is due to Cashman changing the buy old and sell low philosophy and if he is canned, we will reap the benefits of what he did while wondering why we canned the guy in 5 yrs. This isnt on him. This is partially on Torre, a good amount on Steinbrenner and mostly due to inevitability. It was a good run. And with that, I concede the AL East. Congrats sox fans. You guys are unreal right now and my team no longer looks like a team primed for a breakout. They look old, something that does not typically right itself and leave you prone to long stretches of winning. I dont think we make the playoffs. Good day, and thank god I have a wonderful wife and a PS3!!

he wasnt pitching all that badly. He was a lot better than DeSalvo.

he is not. Torre is being an idiot.

no idea why he pulled clippard so early. Stick with your starters Joe.

they wont send Clemens to Boston in his first start back in NY. No way.

I might be able to beat the yankees this yr. And I havent pitched in 5 yrs.

I am a fan of my team first and a fan of whoever is playing you guys second. My second favorite team is getting a boost with a rainout.

a rainout would be awesome. An already interesting rotation would become very interesting if your rotation was forced to stretch out to 6 pitchers for one turn.

like I said before. I love this kids off speed stuff. He needs a season to refine his location a bit. He throws too many strikes.

Good work ORS. Lester needs the yr. He showed some arm issues that may or may not have been serious and he is right about where a long reliever should be. Give him a long time.

leaving Tavarez in is a dangerous venture. The yankees hit righties well, yet havent figured him out to this point. 2 shots at him, 2 shots failed, BUT we did hit the ball pretty hard off of him in his last start, just never strung anything together. Banking on him again could be a dangerous proposition, especially in Fenway.

reactionary for the most part. Abreu was pretty bad before we got him last yr and he turned it on. He needs to start walking again and then things will fall into place. Give it time. We arent even in June yet. And hey, Jeter was hitting on the interstate in June one season. Bad starts happen. Unfortunately, they are happening to every one of our left handed sticks right now.

just like the venom suit in spiderman (who'd a thunk, a spiderman reference, LOVE that btw), once you put DL Drew on the DL, he may never come off.