then how exactly is a manager judged? If the blame is always on the players, why are managers even fired? There are times where you just need a fresh face. The air stagnates, the fire goes out and you just need a fresh start. Now I could continue on for days about the failures of Torre, but he does have a strong enough resume to counteract anything I say. So, I'll leave it with this. The yankee guard is changing. The old are leaving/retiring, the young are growing up. Torre is a manager of egos, of consistency, of (as I said before) autopilot. Having to nurture kids through the 162 is something I dont think he is equipped for and I'd rather see these kids grow up in the right environment than suck them into the Torre feeder and ruin their careers.