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Kontos finished the season with a few up and down performances. But he is now in the HWL and he just threw a gem 5IP 3H 0BB 11K Kontos is a very intriguing prospect in the yankee system. He throws very hard and already has a plus offspeed pitch in his slider. But his lack of a developed tertiary pitch has made him predictable. If he can develop his changeup, he could be a weapon as a starter, but there is a good chance he makes it to the bronx out of the pen. I'd assume this guy continues to be hit or miss next yr in Trenton, then moves to the pen and sees the Bronx in 09.

Westbrook against a struggling DMats? You guys have your hands full.

Joe Torre made 19.2 million dollars over the past 3 season. 19.2. That is the highest AAV for a manager in the history of the game by FAR. That contract saw the yankees go 4-9 in the postseason while watching the sox win their first division title this season. What made Torre earn anything more? Well look at his second halves!!!! If his team didnt suck during the first half, then maybe he wouldnt have needed to go balls out in the second half. Its the TEAM who is at fault, not the manager!!!! How is a manager judged then? Why do managers get fired? Who knows, right? The playoffs are a CRAPSHOOT!!! Then dont give him credit for 4 WS titles while blowing off the next 7 yrs of his career. He put his players in a position to win and they SUCKED!!! Total lie. Ask Tom Gordon or Paul Quantrill if they were in a position to win come October? How about Steve Karsay, who Torre managed into retirement. Scott Proctor says hello. As does Vizcaino, who was as useless as he was in april when he threw in October, because Torre used him too often. He hasnt left a bullpen in a position to win for the playoffs since Stanton and Nelson broke away the first time. His pens are tired. His players are tired. At the same time, there has been some articles that hit this thing right on the head. In the late 90s, the yankees needed no motivation. They had guys who got up for every game, playing as if their lives depended on it. Those guys left, and in came the guys we bought, who were confident in their ability and were okay with complacency and that is what Torre allowed, complacency. No fire, they came to work, and went home. Yeah, they turned it on when it looked like they were out of it, but they payed the toll for having to be in overdrive for the last 3 months after being stuck in neutral for the better part of the spring. We need someone who wont allow complacency. As I have said before, Torre's approach is great for the regular season. He'll use up every single game to get his team there, but his approach has left his teams unprepared for the playoffs. No sense of urgency, and it hurt us. It was time for a change, and I am glad that he left on his terms. i dont care what any of the other morons think of this move, it was more than generous. If you dont think so then you are solely trying to lay it on thick and try to get us mad. Nobody in their right mind would think that the deal laid forth by management was unfair. He didnt deserve another contract like he had. He was given a contract that he could earn and he didnt want to take that route. Goodbye to likely the most overrated personality in NY sports history, good riddance.

how was he left twisting in the wind? He got an offer on October 17th. We were eliminated on October 8th. Instead of making a reactionary decision, the yankee FO took a full week off before convening. They convened and 2 days later, Torre had an offer. How was he twisting in the wind? He knew they werent making a decision until at least October 15th. He knew that. He got an offer on the 17th. 2 whole days is twisting in the wind? Someone's twisting, and that is you Kilo. Twisting the media to get a rise out of yankee fans. It aint working.

was at the helm for the worst collapse in the history of professional sports to the one team that nobody could stomach him losing it to. Then he proceeds to go 4-13 in his last 17 post season games with the team that had the biggest payroll and the biggest assembly of talent. If that isnt disappointing, then I dont know what is. they didnt want him to go, but they didnt want him there long term. How else can a 1yr deal be interpreted? Igawa's signing was a crapshoot and a reaction to what the sox did. Wright was an absolute George move because he saw that guy dominate us 8 yrs prior. Pavano was a smart move at the time that completely blew up in his face. And if you are measuring your success against the Pavano's of the world, the you arent really doing anything noteworthy. if he made it to the WS it was a guaranteed 2 yr deal. Torre did well if you consider the hole he helped the team climb out of, but the fact remains that he managed that team into the hole to begin with. Then he faced a team that we totally manhandled during the regular season and his boys came out flat. His management was suspect and we were home by the 10th of october for the 3rd yr in a row. You cannot fire the players, and somebody has to pay. And for all those who are now on the Torre side of things saying that the postseason is all about luck, then you cannot give him credit for when he won the series. He has deserved every warning shot. Have you watched the games he manages? He is quite possibly THE WORST manager of pitching period. He pulls guys when they have more gas, he leaves guys in when they are totally done, he burns reliable guys out until they are no longer reliable, and he lets his other options rot during mopup time. The guy has no idea when a pitcher is done until it is too late. I have SCREAMED on this forum multiple times that Torre needed to pull so and so a pitcher. And it had nothing to do with their history (well maybe some), but it had everything to do with their pitches. How does Torre not see that Wang is done when he is in the 7th or 8th and his sinker is floating to the top of the zone. how does he not see that Mussina might need to be on a short hook when his curve isnt locating. These are the types of things managers need to see and Joe just doesnt. So good riddance.

are you continuing to stir the pot just to get a rise out of us. Its not working. Joe was given a more than fair offer and he turned it down.

Schill, I actually dont think it went that way. Couple things. The Yankee organization is at a tumultuous time. George is leaving. The organizational stalwarts are aging and some are FAs. There is a new crop of young kids coming in who look damn good to this point. And, Torre has disappointed badly for a fourth yr running. I dont think they wanted him to go to be honest with you. But I also dont think they wanted him there long term. As has been the MO of this FO since Cashman took control, he wants flexibility, and having 21 mil sunk into his manager is not flexibility IMO. He asked Joe to take what our FAs from last yr did, a 1-2 yr offer. He didnt take it. So be it. He was offered the possibility of making more money than any manager in history (over himself mind you) if he did his job well. He turned it down, so be it. And to be honest with you, I think Joe wanted the opportunity to say "No thanks" to George's face regardless of the offer.

hey, we can take the small drop in production going from Rivera to F. Cordero while moving up in the draft order and getting a supplemental in the process. SWEET. I hope some team gives Mo all he wants and more. The guy was out of this world and I love the guy, but if he wants out then so be it.

Beckett was dirty. Filthy even. But now he is done for the series as is Sabathia and the cold Schill and DiceK get their turns. I said that the sox would win game 5 but falter in game 6, so lets see if the worlds worst predictor of games can sneak one.

Mo was quoted as saying the yankees are "just one of 30 teams" after the news broke yesterday. If he wants to bolt, then thanks for the memories and the draft picks. We dont need to go long term on Mo anyway. He's 38 and a reliever, bad combo. Same with Posada. I love those two guys, but I think we could set ourselves up for the future with their departures.

this one is over, gnight all.

that was the problem. He managed on autopilot while ruining young arm after young arm.

this game is over barring a monumental collapse.

game over

missed the first one. Lowell's HBP was far from intentional.

about what?

Beckett is opening his team up to some retaliation. He went head high on Guttierez for no apparent reason and then he pulls that s***. I have no problem with a guy willing to go head high. He just better be willing to have his team feel the same effect.

sheffield is a racist.

CC got them through 5. They can theoretically go to that awesome pen now.

even if these guys leave, we wont butcher them. Well, maybe ARod since he is still under contract.

This is a big inning for Beckett. That was a momentum swinger.

Hey, this Lugo and Crisp tandem are awesome.

ATTA BOY COCO!!

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