Palmer was a headcase that they have said that only Weaver could motivate. In those years, Weaver always tapped Cuellar and McNally before going to Palmer. It was an unbelievable staff, although Gibson and Carlton were a pretty good tandem. So were Marichal and Gaylord Perry ,and McClain and Lolich and Seaver, Koosman, Gentry and Ryan weren't bad either.