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If the integrity of the data collected is compromised it is worthless in any statistical projections. I have similar concern abouts about a lot of data collection used in advanced sabremetrics and projections. If human error and bias enter into the data collection process the stats built upon that data are not very reliable.
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2016 Red Sox Hot Stove Discussion Thread
a700hitter replied to a700hitter's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
he was taking BP a couple of weeks ago pain free sending balls into the stands regularly. Team reports were that his shoulder was not impairing his throwing. Team reported that despite pain free shoulder he would not play first base in a game until he had a comfort level with playing first base. No conjecture. All team reports. Then he gets shut down and sent home to rehab his shoulder without any report of further injury. Buch and others are rehabbing with the team. There is no need to read between the lines. None of this is conjecture. -
that aint gonna happen.
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Teams can't meddle with the guns and the official data today? Is that your opinion or a fact? Edit: Fangraphs lists pitcher velocity back to 2004. Is that data unofficial? My point is that if the data is corrupted, it is worthless.
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I agree that this could be a likely scenario although I would opt to keep Miley and trade Buch. Your scenario is more realistic in that Miley is more tradeable than Buch. Plus, the FO seems determined to see Buch succeed.
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Yes, but just to take the tour of Boston. LOL!
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That is not the point. I am not talking about scouting. I am talking about "official data" that is publically available. Is it reliable on velocity? When a stat is presented regarding the pitcher's with the highest average fast ball velocity, is it accurate and reliable? I guess that you just don't want to address the question.
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If I thought that this would be next season's rotation, I'd make the 2017 Red Sox Hot Stove Thread right now.
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9/30 v Yankees BLOW
a700hitter replied to VA Sox Fan's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
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Who said it is a story? I did find it odd that Theo as the GM got involved in those decisions in real time, but I don't think it is a story. The question that this story made me ask is the following:
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I think that the practice is pointless. But I do wonder about the accuracy and integrity of official stats on velocity.
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So, with regard to the Red Sox, you think the story about the pumped gun is a fiction created by Pedro to enhance his legend, but at the same time you acknowledge that pumping the gun was/is a common practice in the sport. Why is it a fiction for the Red Sox, but acknowledged fact for other organizations. I don't think that makes sense.
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So, we have arrived back at my original question. I would assume that these readings come from a permanently mounted radar gun. If teams can pump the numbers on the gun, is the official published data reliable?
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How would disclosing that the gun was pumped up in 2004 enhance his image?
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He says that Theo ordered the guns pumped for other pitchers on the 2004 staff as well.
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Pedro is making it up?
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Is there no official statistical record of velocity prior to 2006? The fact that scouts also take readings makes Theo's attempts to misrepresent the velocity seem quite silly and pointless.
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I am curious to look back at Pedro's recorded velocity in 2004. If it shows him in the high 80's and low 90's the stats are not genuine, because according to him, he was not throwing that hard.
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If teams can mess with that, it really calls into question the reliability of the data.
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Which guns are the feed for statistical data? It wouldn't be handheld guns used by scouts.
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^ That will not be enough.
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I think it would be a huge mistake if they don't upgrade the rotation. Relying on their performance in the last 2 months of 2015 continuing into 2016 would be a mistake. Rebuilding the bullpen from the ground up is a necessity.
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Here is a question for you. How many guns are on the pitcher during a game. Is there a different stadium gun? Was Theo meddling with the gun or just the reading posted on the score board? It makes me wonder about the integrity of the data we get on pitchers. I have already heard stories that the guns at Fenway were quicker than at other ballparks because of the closer proximity of the gun to the pitcher.
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There were a lot of interesting stories in the book that I did not know. As Pedro tells it, Schilling's ankle injury resulted from Schilling adopting Pedro's technique of "hooking the rubber" where the pitcher's foot is partially on the rubber during the delivery. Shill noticed this with Pedro in Spring Training and they talked about it. Most pitchers just have only the side of their foot next to and touching the rubber as they deliver the ball. Pedro always had part of his foot on top of the rubber. It gave him more stability and leverage when delivering the ball. When Big Schill tried it, it added a couple mph to his fast ball so he stayed with it. It pinched his ankle joint and damaged the nerve. Doctors warned him the he would get necrosis in the joint if he continued, but he was having too much success and he continued until the point where he needed regular injections of numbing agents. Pedro believes that at age 37 and with Schill's big body it was too late for him to incorporate the technique.
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I read Pedro's book and was surprised to learn that Theo ("Young Buck" as Pedro called him) was jacking up the radar gun at Fenway for competitive advantage when Pedro pitched in 2004. Pedro was throwing mid to high 80's by then, but Theo had them pump the gun by a couple of mph. Pedro could pitch just fine at that velocity as long as he had his command. He had enough of a repertoire to keep hitters off balance and he had some heat in the tank when needed. I'm not sure what Young Buck thought he was achieving.
