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We can't complain about the job he did. He did a fantastic job for a prolonged period. The unfortunate truth is that he just is not a major league OFer that a good team can keep on its roster for an entire season. I think he might be able to find a spot in the majors as a bench OFer because he has made tremendous improvements fielding and throwing. His drawback is that he can only play LF. Teams usually want their reserve OFers to be able to play at least 2 OF spots.

I am not at all saying that the bullpen is a bigger problem than the starting pitching. I have thought the starting pitching would be a problem from Spring Training, when people were convincing themselves that 2 rookies in the rotation would not be a problem, because Buchholz would pitch the entire season, Lester would bounce back from an off season and we have Beckett too. Some people even thought that Dice K was a good depth option. So, I am clearly not pointing at the bullpen more than the starters. The reason for my posts about the late inning bullpen is to counter the commonly accepted belief that our bullpen is doing just fine, better than expected and some people think it has been great. They come to this conclusion on the basis of the ERA. The bullpen is not great. You pay the pen to handle the late innings, and it has done a lousy job in innings 7 thru 9-- one of the worst in the league. Last year it was the best. The commonly accepted belief is just flat out wrong. You are all hung up on this 5 game thing. Who knows how many games better off we would be if we still had Aceves, Bard and Papelbon in our pen. We could argue about it all day. Our late inning bullpen in 2009-2011 covered for many deficiencies in our starting staff those years. We don't know precisely how much of our record is attributable to the starters as compared to the relievers. It is clear that neither has done their job well at all. A Papelbon in our pen would have helped without question-- maybe not 5 games over the first half, but maybe so. Over the course of the season, at this rate, it will easily be a 5 game difference.

Gonzo is back, Hopefully, he didn't lose the stroke he had going before the All Star break. His timing was the best it had been all season.

What a wild 9th inning in LA between the Dodgers and the Padres. The Dodgers were up 6-5 to start the inning. The closer, Kenley Jensen gave up two hits to start the inning to set the table with a first and third situation and no one out. The next two batters struck out and popped up. The batter on forst stole second at some point. With 2 Balls and 2 strikes on Amarista, the pitcher starts pawing at the mound with his cleat and as he was working on the mound, he turned his back on home plate. As soon as he turned his back, Evereth Cabrera on third took off for home plate. The pitcher panicked and threw the ball passed the catcher and 2 runs scored. Wow!!! I have never seen anything like that steal of home in the 9th inning.

Also, with regard just to innings 7 to 9, in 2011 our Bullpen was best in batting average against and OPS. This year it is 12th in both categories. These are the innings that are important -- the 7th thru 9th and the close and late situations. We kinda suck at those. We are blowing smoke up our own asses if we don't think losing Papelbon has hurt this team by at least 5 wins. Look at tonight. In the 7th last year, Aceves and/or Bard would have stopped the bleeding in the 7th, shut them down in the 8th and handed Papelbon the ball in the 9th.

I didn't say that. But a $174 million roster has to have a guy to come off the bench to take a hack in the 9th inning instead of sending up a .150 sacrificial lamb.

Having Lillibitch bat in the 9th is ridiculous.

We're losing to a very tough All Star pitcher. We have a tough schedule.

Ciriaco makes the play. He should be playing SS and Aviles should be at 2B.

I'd rather have Youk at first tonight than Lillibitch.

The fact is that the Red Sox bullpen was much better in late inning and pressure situauions in 2011 than it has been this season. The Bullpen was second best in batting average and OPS in 2011. This season they are the second worst in the AL in those categories. That's the relevant math. Last years bullpen had 16 blown saves for the entire season. This season we have 11 blown saves already.

i guess they optioned Gomez instead of cutting Lillibitch, because Cherries is hell bent pn proving that he got something for Youk.

I saw him in Spring training. I liked his stuff. He also did well in AAA. I am a bit surprised that he got DFA'd.

Nor can you disprove my proposition. The raw numbers show him 2 games better than Aceves if he just substituted for Aceves. I think my position that adding Papelbon to our bullpen which includes Aceves in a more comfortable role and dropping the 7th or 8th guy from our pen would have improved the pen and changed the dynamic of the late innings. If you want to say that I can't prove it with numbers, fine, but you can't disprove it either, because there is no way for you to model the changed dynamic of adding him to the pen. However, to think that adding Papelbon to any team's bullpen would not improve that pen would be absurd.

Iwasn't arguing value of contract etc. I was just simply making the point that subtracting him from the roster has cost us wins. I think that is a fair statement.

Most teams keep their premier pitchers. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

I doubt the Phillies will move Hamels at the trading deadline. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8162263/philadelphia-phillies-preparing-sizable-offer-cole-hamels

I'm not quite sure what you love about this, nor do I have the slightest idea of the significance of the opinions on this forum in the outcome. What are you talking about?