Youk Of The Nation

I doubt those other factors will factor into it. Plenty of guys who were outright hated by most people got into the HOF. Ty Cobb springs to mind. And no one dislikes Schilling as much as anyone despised Ty Cobb.

Whoa! I didn't even make the connection. I'm on Gameday right now so all I noticed was the surname. Remember when he was going to be the ace for the Yankees for the next ten years?

It happens a lot. For a Yankees fan, he's remarkably not stupid. Annoying, condescending, arrogant, opinionated, ugly, unlikable, probably a furry, short, unfunny, a terrible lay according to his wife...but not stupid. Listen to me, gushing over the guy. Love you, man.

I think someone activated JBJ's cheat code.

Haha Jamie Moyer, the only guy who can be caught barehanded.

I'm not sure, they weren't appreciably different than any of his other posts. I really didn't want to do it, I was hoping to avoid any bans of our new guys. If it turns out to be DWP, I'm sure we'll find out from one of the other BDC guys and we can work something out.

The wins are the thing that clinch it for me. A lot of people seem to think that 300 wins is the big hurdle for HOF membership, but I don't really think so. In this day and age of relief pitchers and closers and pitch counts, I think it's a lot more difficult to get wins, and using them as a standard for anything, really, seems kind of unfair.

Just a small announcement. I've banned redsoxdirtdog. I'm only explaining this because I did not want to give anyone the wrong idea. I did not ban him for making political comments, I didn't even ban him for continuing to be obnoxious after I asked him to stop posting political comments. I banned him because after I made the position clear and locked the thread, he proceeded to PM me and continue with similar comments, and got a little more vulgar about me personally. Anyways, I generally do not announce this sort of thing, but for the benefit of our new members and even for the benefit of our older members, I did not want anyone to think I was abusing my position by banning someone just because I didn't like them.

No, you've just had that avatar so long I assume you're just a dog pretending to be a human Red Sox fan. "Aww, look at him, he thinks he's people!"

I think this is a good topic for debate, and there is no more suitable thread for it. Of course, I'm pretty sure you're being ironic, and if so, now I'm going to have to ban you as an example to the others. Sorry. If you'd like, you can opt for a spanking instead. Let me know. Either way, my fingers are tingling!

Only 4K in 6IP is odd for him, though. I would suggest that you ask him to pitch like this every game, but with more strikeouts.

Not even on a bet. Thank you!

Regardless of your personal feelings for Curt Schilling, one way or the other, it cannot be denied that he was a huge, maybe even the huge, part of the Red Sox championship in 2004, and an important part of the 2007 championship as well. His stats are pretty good, no one can deny that, but I have heard a lot of baseball fans online with their own analyses, and a lot of them seem to think he hovers just under the line for acceptance. I happen to disagree. So, I created this thread as a place to discuss not only the answer to this question, but memories and opinions and stories about Curt Schilling's long and impressive career in baseball. Have at it! For myself, I think he belongs in the Hall of Fame. More than that, I think he will get in, either this year or next. Championships should not be the sole criteria on which one is inducted, (Craig Counsell has two, which is roughly the same number of home runs he has), but the championships he does have were due to him in such a large part that I think they, along with his on-field and clubhouse leadership, more than compensate for any alleged deficiency in the numbers.

Yeah, I would never have guessed it was that many. The man is a cipher. He'd be a great CIA agent overseas. Your eyes just kind of slide right off of him.

Let's not get into past opinions, we really need to move past previous season's erroneous predictions instead of taking digs at the people who might have made them. I'm trying to make that point to the new guys. I know I can't eradicate it completely, but try, at least? For me, whom you all love with varying degrees of sincerity?

Hits always feel 200% more awesome after an IBB. "Oh, you think I'm not as scary as that guy? f*** you."

Haha finally someone realized how well JBJ is hitting lately.

Unf***ingbelievable.

Every time Josh Rutledge plays, I forget about him completely until the next time he plays. I cannot remember another Red Sox player in the last decade who has played this many games with the Sox in one season and is yet so utterly forgettable. He's not good enough to draw my notice, and he isn't useless enough to draw my ire. He's like a ghost runner in a game of pickup baseball.

Holy s***, you have got to be kidding me. I don't have any idea how to be clearer without being repetitive. I have been excruciatingly patient and polite, and that does not seem to get through. Talksox is not a site for political debate. That's it. I was not asking for more replies or more snide f***ing comments about my statements. I was explaining to you how things work, and then I explained it again. Did you notice how no one else picked up on your comments and started talking about politics? It's because they know how badly it ends here. So just stop. Would you like some detailed examples of what the "rules" are? Here you go: This is okay. Nonspecific and unlikely to fan the flames of someone on the "other side" This is not okay. This is the beginning of a seventeen-page long argument on a baseball forum that ends with people calling each other fascists or communists and insulting each other's intelligence. Those are the damn "rules", okay? If you respond to this post with another obnoxious, sarcastic comment that makes it clear you are willfully misunderstanding me, I'm going to lock this f***ing thread and create a new one where the only thing you will be allowed to talk about is Curt Schilling as a baseball player. I have been trying very hard not to act like a jackbooted thug, but you are not making it any easier. Enough.

I don't really know how much clearer I could have been. Talksox is not a political debate site, and political debate almost always, always ends in arguments and personal attacks. So don't talk about them, and don't post obnoxious, sarcastic references to them after I ask you nicely not to talk about them.

I'm keeping yours, Ted. I've started a GT more recently than you have, plus your "Nightcap" goes better with the "Day Game" from earlier. Oh, and sorry, JB44. I flipped a coin. You can start the next run, after Ted's 15-game streak.

Yeah, but I don't think Gonzalez's management had any more to do with the Braves abysmal W/L record than Valentine's management had to do with the Sox's above .500 record in July. Valentine had the advantage of at least having slightly more competent players than Gonzalez.

Of course not, that's really uncomfortable. You're supposed to splay across the bed like someone who just fell backwards off of a hotel balcony onto the roof of a car.

Well, creating welcome threads for new users in the General Baseball forum and then telling the mods to "kill this after twelve hours", after they have already repeatedly asked you to stop creating useless threads is frowned upon as well. But people still do it! Seriously, everyone here, from the top down, has been very patient and done their best to be welcoming and inclusive to the influx of members from BDC, but some of you appear to be actively trying your hardest to not fit in at all. I was not commenting on anyone else's post. a700hitter and UN? were right (and how weird does that sound?!). Two of your first three posts in this thread were snide references to opinions other people on the site hold. Instead of praising Young for a HR and leaving it at that, you chose to make sure to show disdain for anyone who doesn't think Farrell is the best manager the Sox have ever had. You preemptively called out people for blaming the game on Young before anyone did so (and no one ended up doing so, either). We get in our digs at each other sometimes. UN? and a700 are both very good at it, though they don't do it as often or as blatantly as you do. You've been here less than a month and it seems to be your modus operandi. The sad truth is, you guys are all new here. You may have been the big guys over at BDC, but BDC is gone now. You chose to join another board with it's own long-established community, and whether you think it is fair or not, you need to learn how to fit in here. We will do our best to make the settling-in process as smooth as possible, because no one wants to scare away new members, but when 90 percent of your first 150 posts are either sarcastic sniping at opinions that people voiced in other threads and debating a (I thought, quite politely phrased) moderating request to keep the board flowing pleasantly, it makes it somewhat difficult to keep an open mind.