I like them but they are not always solid. The 2003 pre season VORP for all pitchers that was released had the one, the only, BK Kim as the 10th best pitcher in the league. As soon as that wonderful little saga with him ended I lost all faith in VORP and msot sabermetrics. The only relatively new stat that I like is OPS outside of that I wanna see the stuff that actually show's me how a guy produces.