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NY Daily News is reporting this article. It seems based on what RJ "told his friends"... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball...2p-227984c.html Pair of offers for an Ace The Yanks and D-Backs were finalizing a swap for Randy Johnson, with the sides spending yesterday discussing these two scenarios. The final deal could end up being a combination of both. A: In one scenario, the Bombers send Javier Vazquez and Brad Halsey, and prospects Abel Gomez and Melky Cabrera to the D-Backs in exchange for Johnson. They'd also throw in about $12 million to offset the difference between Johnson's $16 million salary and the $35.5 million remaining on Vazquez's contract. B: In the other possibility, the Yanks would send Vazquez and top prospects Eric Duncan and Dioner Navarro to Arizona for the Unit. In this instance, the Bombers would include significantly less cash - perhaps in the neighborhood of $5 million – because they'd be losing their two best minor leaguers.

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(yankee killer)

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Damn dude. You're set. I got the Red Sox package with a little music thrown in. :thumbsup:

Here is one thing to keep in mind john. You may be right that he isn't worth 10 million/x4 years, but....... and it's a big but....... actually a couple of buts... A) He's probably at the top of all free agent catchers this year. B.) Red Sox fans wanted him back. C) Overpaying by a couple of million on a 4 year deal is a drop in the bucket to Henry. (Kim anyone?) D) It adds Shoppach to the list of trade bait prospects we have (sorry Zen, but it should be apparent that Shop and Hanley are as good as gone). E) And this is the biggest of them all. Theo was dealing with Boras - who originally wanted 5 years/65 Million and a no-trade clause. Theo knocked BORAS(!!) down to 4 years/40 million and no no-trade clause. Yeah, it's overpaying. But for some reason I'm very happy he's back. And Boras can suck my wang dang doodle. (and that aint no Korean pitcher)

Sorry, but I can't get off the joyride that is Tanyon Sturtze.... Over the last 3 years, his "count" splits go like this. (And this is against the whole league): When the count is: 0-0 (first pitch), BAA: .352 1-1, BAA: .430 2-0, BAA: .375 2-1, BAA: .357 :harhar: For some reason they don't have his 3-0 or 3-1 splits, but I'm sure they were .120 BAA or something Pedro-like.

I doubt it - but hope so.... I'd love to see Shaq just crush the Rapist like a tin can. Is Shaq even going to play? I thought he sat out last game injured.

But the Yankees have nothing to give to get him, ha ha. A pro athlete will go where the money is. Schilling only "wanted to go to the Yankees" and he, well, came here and made our "dreams" come true.

Sorry, but that is pretty funny. His ERA at Fenway the last THREE years is only... ummmm.... 10.29! Jeez, look at these number and try not to laugh. They are that bad. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/spli...1&type=pitching He had a 5.47 ERA over the entire year with NY, which is actually worse than his career ERA of 5.23. How much did he sign for?

s***, I always forget about Kim. So for available starters we have some real depth (if kim gets figured out). Think about this and if they pitch to expectations: Schilling Wells Miller Clement Arroyo Wakefield Halama (don't know what to expect) B.K. Kim I feel I'm still forgetting someone..... I guess we won't have to call up anyone from double A this year if we need a spot starter.

Since when does he not? 2090, please post one (1) link that quotes Johnson on his disslike of Schill. Just 1 link with an RJ quote about him not liking Schilling. If you can do that, I'll give you credit. If you can't, pipe down.

I say it's Bronson... but that's the beauty of it. Schill's out for the first month so Arroyo will get his starts. Wells and Wade are both suspect to injury, so Arroyo is the backup there too. If Wake or Clement get roughed around for any stretch, you can sub in Arroyo. We also have Halama as a backup SP. This is great, but with the extra arms, isn't it possible now that Theo will try and package one or two of them for another player or pitcher?

Johnson Schilling Wells Wade Clement I can dream can't I? :harhar:

Any of you guys up in Boston know about this???? "Just listened to WEEI and they said Johnson wants out of Arizona and is willing to play for Boston. They need to sign him for 3 years. Theo is supposedly putting a deal together for Nixon, Mirabelli and a prospect. Which also means Tek is getting resigned!" http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp...=113110.1&ctx=0

True....... maybe. Anyway, it's just a riot to watch the Yes board get lit up. I spent the day out there laughing, and now even more tonight. :harhar: :thumbsup:

OH SWEET MOTHER OF JESUS! THIS IS THE BEST YEAR EVER!!!!!!!!!!

Those are pretty sweet! I broke down last week and bought some Official 2004 Boston Red Sox World Series Champion David Ortiz Condoms. But they are all too big :shrug: .

True, but both the Mets and the O's are looking for marquee players - big name players to help market the team. The Mets we know about, but the O's will likely do the same now with the Nationals moving into the backyard. I would be really surprised if the O's also don't go after Lowe. I think they'd outbid Detroit and maybe even LA.

Here ya go. This is actually a pretty good deal. Saturday, June 4 Vs Angels. 2 box seat tickets. Buy now for $199. I only say it's a good deal because other games around the same time are getting bids of $170 and will surely go higher. Definitely don't wait to buy your tickets. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...2293850524&rd=1

The latest I've heard is him going to the O's and Delgado possibly going to the Mets. Oh and Manny still may be a Met if the Sox can unload him.

Congratulations! You're going to love it. If I were you I'd definitely try and go to the Anaheim or Minnesota games.

Didn't realise you needed to register to read it. Here's the article... THOSE of us who do not subscribe to the "Moneyball" approach to baseball, the theories laid out in the book that celebrates Billy Beane and the Oakland Athletics, have been quick to point to the real strength of the Athletics in recent years, the pitching triumvirate of Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder and Barry Zito. And then there was one. Beane, a talented general manager whatever his philosophy, traded Hudson to the Atlanta Braves last Thursday and 48 hours later traded Mulder to the St. Louis Cardinals. In making those deals, Beane contributed to the likelihood of those teams repeating as division champions. The Athletics cannot repeat as division champions next season because they didn't win a division championship last season. In fact, they failed to make the playoffs for the first time since the 1999 season. The Yankees make the playoffs perennially but have not won the World Series since 2000. In the Yankees' world, that kind of failure calls for drastic action, and that's why Randy Johnson is expected to become a member of the Yankees' rotation this week. The Yankees add Johnson; the Athletics subtract Hudson and Mulder. That's the difference between having an unlimited payroll and a severely restricted payroll. Nobody said baseball economics were fair. Beane did not trade Hudson and Mulder because he discovered a flaw in the team's makeup. He did not trade Mulder because he staggered to an 0-4 record and a 7.27 earned run average in his last seven starts, dooming the Athletics to their final resting place - one game behind the first-place Anaheim Angels. Why did Beane shred his vaunted starting rotation? "We needed to," he said in a telephone interview yesterday. "We're constantly playing a shell game here," he added. "The status quo was not within our means. We need to be in a situation where our team is getting progressively better, and the status quo could have put us in a position where we'd be worse." The status quo would have meant holding on to Hudson and Mulder along with Zito. In the past five seasons, the four playoff years and the near miss this year, those three pitchers combined for a 234-119 record, a sparkling .662 winning percentage. If a team played at that percentage over the course of a season for several seasons, it would produce 107 victories a year and more than a few division championships. Now look at some other numbers. The Athletics had a payroll of about $58 million this year. They could not keep all of their star players and maintain that payroll. Hudson's salary was $5 million this year and goes to $6.75 million next year. Mulder was at $4.45 million this year and will go to $6.5 million next year. Together, they will escalate from less than $10 million to more than $13 million. The Yankees could sell a few more hot dogs and keep both pitchers. The Athletics don't have that luxury. "We couldn't afford the status quo," said Beane, who likes his Yankees counterpart, Brian Cashman, and doesn't begrudge him a dollar. "We were getting into the position where even with the loss of Jermaine Dye, it wasn't within our means. We were beyond our means to keep the status quo." The Yankees let players leave as free agents, as Oakland did with Dye, and pretended they had to make those moves because of some imaginary budget. They are reminiscent of the story that when Edward Bennett Williams owned the Washington Redskins, he gave George Allen an unlimited budget, then said that Allen had exceeded it. Beane can be accused of being a bean counter, but he has to keep a calculator handy to make sure his payroll doesn't start with a 6. If Cashman used a calculator, it would have to be one of those fancy nine-figure models. Once Johnson is added to the payroll, the Yankees will have a payroll approaching $210 million, more than 15 percent higher than this year's record payroll. And that $210 million doesn't cover a complete roster. One name noticeably missing from it is Carlos Beltran, the free-agent outfielder the Yankees covet. If Beltran's agent gets what he wants, $20 million a year, make the Yankees payroll $230 million, nearly 30 percent higher than this year's. If the Yankees' rotation is Johnson, Mike Mussina, Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright, the combined 2005 salaries of the starters will be $67 million. That total is more than the 2004 payrolls of 18 of the other 29 teams. The anticipated Oakland rotation would fall a little short of that total. It doesn't figure to earn much above $6.7 million, let alone $67 million. And Zito's $5.6 million will account for most of it. The other four projected starters - Rich Harden, Danny Haren, Dan Meyer and Joe Blanton - have a combined major league service of two and a half years, with all but Harden less than a year each. "It's a risky thing, but we've taken risks before," Beane said. Could any three younger members of the starting corps evolve into Hudson, Mulder and Zito? "The three guys we had together were pretty historical," Beane said. "If they became half of those guys, they'd be pretty good pitchers. But it's not fair to make that comparison. We had a pretty historical group. Nevertheless, we feel they can be very good big league pitchers."

$230 Million if they get Randy and Beltran. http://nytimes.com/2004/12/20/sports/baseball/20chass.html Wow. Of course I should not be one to complain, as the Sox will probably have the #2 payroll at about $130 million, but damn. That is a lot of money! Again, I'm not complaining. George can do as she feels. It just astounding.