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    Checking In On Dave Dombrowski, Five Years After He Left The Red Sox


    Maddie Landis

    Boston's former President of Baseball Operations has taken the Phillies to a World Series, a Championship Series, and now a Divisional Series, but has yet to win the big one. How has he done it, and what can the Red Sox learn from his tenure?

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    In September 2019, just over five years ago, the Red Sox fired Dave Dombrowski. One year later, he was scooped up by the Phillies, who had gone nine years without making the playoffs and eight years without a winning record. In 2022, the Phillies made a run to the World Series, coming up short against the Houston Astros. Last year, they lost to the Diamondbacks in a heartbreaking NLCS. They faced yet another disappointment against the Mets in the NLDS this year. 

    The Phillies entered the 2024 season with about $248 million in payroll, banking on a championship run. They got off to a hot start, finishing June with a 55-29 record. The Phillies starting rotation was one of their greatest strengths. At the end of June, their starters led the league with a 2.96 ERA, 3.43 FIP, and 11.4 fWAR. Zack Wheeler and Aaron Nola have been an elite one-two combo for years, with Ranger Suárez and Cristopher Sánchez strengthening the back end of the rotation.

    Through June, Matt Strahm, Orion Kerkering, Jeff Hoffman, and José Alvarado led the Phillies bullpen to a 3.34 ERA, 26.2 K%, and 3.10 FIP across 259.0 innings. Their 5.0 fWAR led baseball and played a critical role in the team's first-half success. 

    With a star-studded lineup led by Kyle Schwarber, Trea Turner, Bryce Harper, Nick Castellanos, and J.T. Realmuto, the Phillies bats were incredibly productive, slashing .259/.333/.421 through June. Trea Turner was a frontrunner for a batting title and Bryce Harper looked like he was on his way to his third National League MVP. Kyle Schwarber continued to mash the ball outside of the park. Alec Bohm took a step forward. 

    Because of their historic start, the Phillies sent a franchise record of eight players to the All-Star Game. Their rotation, bullpen, and batting lineup looked primed for an October run. Then the second half happened. Following the break, the Phillies ran a perfectly mediocre 33-33 record. Suárez hit the IL with lower back soreness and ran a 5.65 second-half ERA. Taijuan Walker, Koby Allard, and Tyler Phillips took Suárez’s spot in the rotation but failed to live up to his performance. Injuries to Bohm, Realmuto, Schwarber, Turner, and Harper cooled the lineup’s bats.

    The Phillies may as well have arrived at the postseason in a screeching ambulance, going 3-7 in their last 10 games. In the National League Division Series, the bottom of the lineup failed them. Bohm, Realmuto, Stott, Weston Wilson, and Brandon Marsh combined for a .089 batting average. The bullpen that had been a strength all year surrendered a whopping 11.37 ERA.

    Roster Construction/Free Agent Signings 

    The Phillies batting order features five players above the age of 30. The average age of their position players, 29.1 years, was the fourth-highest in baseball this season. Bryce Harper is a generational talent who’s headed for the Hall of Fame. Kyle Schwarber isn’t going to Cooperstown with Harper, but he’s a solid player with an impeccable postseason résumé.

    Trea Turner, Age 31, 11-year, $300-million Contract (2023-33)
    Although Trea Turner has put up 8.2 fWAR since joining the Phillies in 2023, eighth-most among shortstops, the size and length of his contract will likely end up making it a significant overpay. Since joining the Phillies in 2023, his 40 errors are the second-most in all of baseball, trailing only Elly De La Cruz, and he's put up -1.0 dWAR. Turner’s bat makes up for his defense, but the 115 wRC+ he's put up with the Phillies is a far cry from the 139 he put up in the three years before he joined the team. His bat went cold during the NLDS. He went 3-for-15, good for a .200 batting average, and went hitless during the deciding game of the series. 

    The Phillies will be paying Turner for nine more years, through his age 39 season.

    J.T. Realmuto, Age 33, 5-year, $115.5-million Contract (2021-25)
    From 2020 to 2023, J.T. Realmuto was the best catcher in baseball. Before the 2024 season, however, he was demoted to the fourth spot in MLB Network’s positional rankings, indicating that Father Time and overuse have caught up with him. Realmuto was sidelined from mid-June to late July following meniscus surgery. Realmuto was 27 years old when the Phillies originally traded for him, and he is now 33. Since 2015, he has played in 1,120 games, almost 200 more than the catcher in second place. Despite the demanding nature of his position, Realmuto rarely takes time off, partly because the backup catcher Garrett Stubbs does not warrant consistent playing time. Stubbs’ career slash line with the Phillies stands at a .222/.305/.324 slash line with a 25.2 K%, 79 wRC+, and 0.7 WAR across three seasons. Simply put, Stubbs is a massive downgrade from Realmuto. 

    From 2018 to 2022, Realmuto ran a 118 wRC+, fourth among qualified catchers. In 2023 and 2023, his wRC+ has fallen to 105, still above average, but no longer elite. More importantly, his once elite framing skills are no longer grading out well. Realmuto went 0-for-11 during the NLDS, but those struggles this postseason could be overlooked because he effectively guided Wheeler, Nola, and Suárez to quality starts.

    Realmuto also boasts unusual speed for a catcher, stealing 37 stolen bases between 2022 and 2023. This year he only managed to steal two total bases. Realmuto's meniscus surgery limited his running ability, and he likely wanted to avoid risking further injury to his knee. It will be telling to see whether Realmuto will regains his prowess in 2025 or continues to regress.

    Nick Castellanos, Age 32, 5-year, $100-million Contract (2022-26) 
    Since 2022, the Phillies have paid Nick Castellanos $60 million, and he’s provided them with 1.4 fWAR. At this point, he’s a sunk cost with a high chase rate and, according to Statcast, the worst defense in baseball. The Phillies were reportedly shopping Castallanos following the 2023 season.

    Together, the contracts of Harper, Schwarber, Turner, Realmuto, and Castellanos are worth $924.5 million. In Games 6 and 7 of the 2023 NLCS, those players combined for a total of 3 hits and 14 strikeouts in 36 at-bats. In Games 4, 5, and 6 of the 2022 World Series, Harper, Schwarber, Realmuto, and Castellanos mustered 4 hits and 20 strikeouts in 41 at-bats. Philadelphia's aging, expensive core has pushed them to the World Series, but failed to bring home the ultimate prize.

    Dave Dombrowski, the architect of this Phillies team, loaded the roster with stars on mega-contracts, leaving little to no resources for depth improvements.

    In August 2022, the Phillies traded their highly-regarded catching prospect Logan O’Hoppe for Angels outfielder Brandon Marsh. This move created a massive hole in the Phillies' catching depth. The 24-year-old O’Hoppe looks like he could be a legitimate catcher, putting up 2.1 WAR in 2024. Solid catchers are a scarce commodity in baseball. Trading away a reputable catching prospect was a major oversight by Dave Dombrowski. The Phillies batting lineup features only two everyday homegrown players, infielders Alec Bohm and Bryson Stott.

    Alec Bohm
    Alec Bohm had an excellent start to the season. He made the All-Star Game and made it to the semi-finals of the Home Run Derby. However, his wRC+ fell from 128 in the first half to 90 in the second half. Bohm also has trouble controlling his temper. On several occasions, video cameras have caught him breaking his bat or slamming his helmet after a strikeout. After getting caught attempting to stretch a single into a double during the NLDS, cameras caught him throwing a fit in the dugout. Bohm went 1-for-13 (.077) in the series.

    Bryson Stott 
    Stott saved the Phillies this postseason. If not for his two-RBI triple during Game 2, the Phillies likely would have been swept. Stott moved from shortstop to second when Turner joined the Phillies. Afer a breakout season with a 101 wRC+ in 2023, Stott regressed to 88 in 2024. A patient hitter who drives up pitch counts and draws walks, he was advised to take a more aggressive approach at the plate this year, but ended up swinging less often. Stott’s regression appears to be a typical sophomore slump and opponents modifying their approach.

    Stott’s sprint speed ranks in the 91st percentile at 29.1 feet per second, and he has stolen at least 30 bases in each of the past two seasons. He possesses solid plate discipline in a free-swinging lineup and plays solid defense at second. Stott also remains one of the cheaper players on the Phillies roster. Stott has a lot of upside, and if he can figure out a more complete approach at the plate, his defense and speed could make him a true all-around threat. 

    Conclusions
    As a team, the Phillies lack a consistent hitting approach. They collect non-competitive at-bats and chase pitches well outside the strike zone. Scouting reports show that they fail to adjust to soft stuff. The one-size-fits-all “see ball, swing” attitude isn’t working for the Phillies. Having the second-best record in baseball is inconsequential if the team can’t play small ball in the postseason. 

    The game has changed since Dave Dombrowski’s days of buying championships with the Marlins and Red Sox. Baseball’s youth movement has descended upon the league. Teams are investing heavily in player development, biomechanics, and advanced analytics. Playoff-caliber teams are made of homegrown players, some of whom are locked to long-term extensions. Baseball is a game of adjustments, and the Phillies entered the 2024 season with nearly the same roster as in 2022 and 2023. If Dombrowski chooses to field the same roster without any adjustments next year, the Phillies will fail again.  

    The Phillies find themselves in a precarious situation as their championship window slowly closes. Their roster is burdened by costly, immovable contracts. Their financial commitments limit their ability to address clear gaps in the lineup. Does this sound familiar? After the greatest season in franchise history, the Red Sox aimed for a repeat title run with an unchanged roster in 2019, only to fall short of the playoffs. Dombrowski left the Red Sox with an aging, costly, inflexible roster. Ownership faced challenging decisions and parted ways with beloved players. Sometimes, it felt like they were taking one step forward and three steps back as they attempted to dig themselves out of the hole.

    In sharp contrast to Dave Dombrowski's struggles with the Phillies, the Red Sox are well-positioned for a sustainable future thanks to their strong farm system and successful player development. However, fans are tired of the continuous rebuilding mindset from ownership. Prospect hoarding doesn’t win championships. The Red Sox have a convincing core to build around, money to spend on free agents, and depth to trade from. It’s time for ownership to turn all that potential into action.

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    4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    Bloom did half the job. He helped rebuild the farm, partially, but didn't keep up the bargain on the MLB side. He really didn't develop much pitching wise and let the MLB team fall into disarray. While the farm became highly ranked later on, it wasn't enough to keep his job. It would be enough if he was the CBO of the Rockies or a lesser team. 

    But we are a lesser team now, in terms of commitment.  That's Henry again. 

    And I think he's OK with using the CBO as his scapegoat...

    17 hours ago, notin said:

    We nitpick moves from every CBO or GM.  So do you.  Why is Dombrowski supposed to be exempt? 

    And GM's should be nitpicked, but also not blamed for what's not their fault at the same time. 

    But that won't happen in it's entirety ever, much like politics the current GM/POBO will always get credit/blame for the current team no matter how much of it was built by them. 

    Dave was good...BUT.

    Mookie Betts/Xander Bogaerts/Jackie Bradley JR/Dustin Pedrioa/David Ortiz/Rick Porcello/David Price/Stephen Wright/Hanley Ramirez.

    Those were the top 10 performers in 2016, Dave was only responsible for Price, who vastly underperformed his contract.  To say he came in and is responsible for turning a last place team into a first place team when 9 of their top 10 performers were already there is a gross manipulation of the truth. 

    2 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    But we are a lesser team now, in terms of commitment.  That's Henry again. 

    And I think he's OK with using the CBO as his scapegoat...

    Oh, he apparently has no shame in it.  At this point, if he fired Breslow after a year or two and blamed him for the team after a few more years of no big moves....who bites?

    1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

    And GM's should be nitpicked, but also not blamed for what's not their fault at the same time. 

    But that won't happen in it's entirety ever, much like politics the current GM/POBO will always get credit/blame for the current team no matter how much of it was built by them. 

    Dave was good...BUT.

    Mookie Betts/Xander Bogaerts/Jackie Bradley JR/Dustin Pedrioa/David Ortiz/Rick Porcello/David Price/Stephen Wright/Hanley Ramirez.

    Those were the top 10 performers in 2016, Dave was only responsible for Price, who vastly underperformed his contract.  To say he came in and is responsible for turning a last place team into a first place team without acknowledging all the talent was already there, it just had to blossom and get healthy, is a gross manipulation of the truth. 

    He did what was necessary.  Price/Sale/Kimbrel - that was 3 of the elite pitchers in the game added to the staff.  You could call it doing the obvious and expensive thing, but that's kind of his approach, and it has produced results.  We've had too many "creative" moves since he left... 

     

     

     

    3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    Ben Cherington did spend. He won a 2013 WS with FA acquisitions. His problem was he spent poorly: Hanley, Pablo, Rusney so he had the keys taken away. 

    Yes, he did, but over the 4 years, he did not spend what DD did.

    He spent less in 2013 than Theo did in 2010 to 2011. (That's not counting inflation.)

    Ben did increase spending after 2013, and quite significantly, so your point is solid.

    The team was at about $165M, the two years before Ben, and he dipped to $154M in '13 before ending at $184M. From start to finish, he went from $168M (Theo in 2011) to $184M- up $1`6M

    DD went  to $197M yr 1 & 2, then  1, $234K in 2018 (1 rank) and $236M in '19. His total add was $$52M in 4 yrs.

    Bloom from $236M to $181M or -$55M.

    Brez down $10M in 1 year.

    5 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    Oh, he apparently has no shame in it.  At this point, if he fired Breslow after a year or two and blamed him for the team after a few more years of no big moves....who bites?

    The aversion of many candidates to the Sox CBO job this time around was real... 

    29 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    He did what was necessary.  Price/Sale/Kimbrel - that was 3 of the elite pitchers in the game added to the staff.  You could call it doing the obvious and expensive thing, but that's kind of his approach, and it has produced results.  We've had too many "creative" moves since he left... 

     

     

     

    Yes, but that was the following year, the team that went from last place to first place was all built from guys before DD, he just added the sprinkles on top to take them from a first place team to a world series winner. 

    My point was, he didn't make a last place team a first place team, that team was already in place. 

    30 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    The aversion of many candidates to the Sox CBO job this time around was real... 

    I actually still don't believe that narrative, there were plenty of people interested in the job, the media just made a whole nothing burger about the people who didn't want it. 

    Easy to make a story and pile it on when you don't like someone. 

    27 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    I actually still don't believe that narrative, there were plenty of people interested in the job, the media just made a whole nothing burger about the people who didn't want it. 

    Easy to make a story and pile it on when you don't like someone. 

    Disagree.  Henry firing his CBO every 4 years is not something made up, it's something that really happened.

    1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    I'm just saying that blaming DD for spending is a really dumb argument.  It's what he does.  JH sort of knew that.  If you want to argue against that position, have at it.

    And I’m saying he’s the only CBO where the.blame gets bumped up the ladder all the time.  
     

    Earlier I made a statement about Betts not accepting what DD was offering.  This is 100% true and doesn’t put blame on either side, yet you chimed in to make sure it was Henry and not DD.  
     

    Cherington made a lot of mistakes, most notably Hanley, Pablo and Rusney.  (Although I think Rusney was neglected and underutilized.). I’ve never seen anyone say “well, Henry authorized and made those payments.”


    It gets silly with DD.  I was a Bloom fan for a few years, but I’ve openly criticized him multiple times, starting with the Betts trade.  But no DD fan seems to ever even permit others to criticize DD without immediately chiming in to his defense.  Did DD do some good? Absolutely.  But he also did some bad, and it doesn’t make you less of a fan to acknowledge that.  It might even make you more of one…

    42 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Disagree.  Henry firing his CBO every 4 years is not something made up, it's something that really happened.

    No.  It’s not a fact. It’s a myth that’s piled on, like the Bermuda Triangle.

    It happened twice. DD and Bloom.  And no one disputes Bloom deserved it.

    29 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Disagree.  Henry firing his CBO every 4 years is not something made up, it's something that really happened.

    I'm not disagreeing he fired multiple CBO's.  I'm disagreeing that nobody wnated the job.  I think that narrative is BS and madeup by sox nation. 

    Think about it, what template do we have to compare that circus to? none.  we don't know. 

    21 minutes ago, notin said:

    And I’m saying he’s the only CBO where the.blame gets bumped up the ladder all the time.  
     

    Earlier I made a statement about Betts not accepting what DD was offering.  This is 100% true and doesn’t put blame on either side, yet you chimed in to make sure it was Henry and not DD.  
     

    Cherington made a lot of mistakes, most notably Hanley, Pablo and Rusney.  (Although I think Rusney was neglected and underutilized.). I’ve never seen anyone say “well, Henry authorized and made those payments.”


    It gets silly with DD.  I was a Bloom fan for a few years, but I’ve openly criticized him multiple times, starting with the Betts trade.  But no DD fan seems to ever even permit others to criticize DD without immediately chiming in to his defense.  Did DD do some good? Absolutely.  But he also did some bad, and it doesn’t make you less of a fan to acknowledge that.  It might even make you more of one…

    i am a big DD fan but i remember being extremely pissed about two things: the Sale extension and trading Beeks. i was against both. i was also, at one time, a huge fan of JH. but then he turned into a ********.

    38 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    I'm not disagreeing he fired multiple CBO's.  I'm disagreeing that nobody wnated the job.  I think that narrative is BS and madeup by sox nation. 

    Think about it, what template do we have to compare that circus to? none.  we don't know. 

    It’s a stupid narrative that, now that you’ve made me think about it, makes no sense. 
     

    Anyone who wants to be a CBO/PBO/GM knows there are only 30 places to get the job.  Why would they eliminate one that, at worst, comes with a built-in excuse if it doesn’t work out?  Getting fired from the Red Sox isn’t like getting fired from the Pirates, where you have no resources, no expectations, and at worst risk disappointing dozens of fans.  There’s a reason all of the “fired” Sox executives have found other jobs.  Can you say that about all the deposed executives from Pitt or Miami or Colorado?

    1 hour ago, notin said:

    No.  It’s not a fact. It’s a myth that’s piled on, like the Bermuda Triangle.

    It happened twice. DD and Bloom.  And no one disputes Bloom deserved it.

    Yeah, I know you don't like to count Cherington as getting the boot because he was "invited to stay on" as an underling.  Cherington manned up and said "eff you", for which I do admire him...

    I have actually disputed that Bloom deserved it.  I think he got scapegoated.  I have said this today, in fact...

      

    52 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    I'm not disagreeing he fired multiple CBO's.  I'm disagreeing that nobody wnated the job.  I think that narrative is BS and madeup by sox nation. 

    Think about it, what template do we have to compare that circus to? none.  we don't know. 

    Well, I guess we have to dig up the stories, but there were a number of candidates who were invited but declined to interview, including internal options, with more than one citing "family commitments"... 

    13 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Yeah, I know you don't like to count Cherington as getting the boot because he was "invited to stay on" as an underling.  Cherington manned up and said "eff you", for which I do admire him...

    I have actually disputed that Bloom deserved it.  I think he got scapegoated.  I have said this today, in fact...

      

    This isn’t a preference.   It’s a matter of historical accuracy.  No one should count Cherington for the simple reason that he wasn’t fired and he did quit.  For whatever reason and in whatever capacity, he didn’t want to work under Dombrowski.  For good or bad for the Sox.

    Henry has fired multiple CBOs, going all the way back to Duquette.  But counting Cherington is only done to pervade the 4 year myth.

    I was an ardent Bloom supporter, but I think he deserved it.  He built teams that stayed in contention and then repeatedly quit on them for whatever reason.  Simply inexcusable…

    15 minutes ago, notin said:

    This isn’t a preference.   It’s a matter of historical accuracy.  No one should count Cherington for the simple reason that he wasn’t fired and he did quit.  For whatever reason and in whatever capacity, he didn’t want to work under Dombrowski.  For good or bad for the Sox.

    Henry has fired multiple CBOs, going all the way back to Duquette.  But counting Cherington is only done to pervade the 4 year myth.

    Cherington was being replaced as CBO - agree or disagree?

    8 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Cherington was being replaced as CBO - agree or disagree?

    Disagree.

    Cherington was the General Manager.  Lucchino was replaced as President/CEO once he announced his retirement.  DD replaced Lucchino, not Cherington.

    Dombrowski wanted to keep Cherington on board - agree or disagree?

    17 minutes ago, notin said:

    Disagree.

    Cherington was the General Manager.  Lucchino was replaced as President/CEO once he announced his retirement.  DD replaced Lucchino, not Cherington.

    Dombrowski wanted to keep Cherington on board - agree or disagree?

    I agree that's what he said.

    I believe Cherington thought he was being replaced/demoted/asked to work for DD and that's why he quit, and that a lot of guys in his position would have done the same.  I'm guessing Henry had a good idea that's what would happen-or maybe he just didn't care one way or the other.

    To me it absolutely counts as changing CBOs...

      

    27 minutes ago, notin said:

    Disagree.

    Cherington was the General Manager.  Lucchino was replaced as President/CEO once he announced his retirement.  DD replaced Lucchino, not Cherington.

    Dombrowski wanted to keep Cherington on board - agree or disagree?

    The role Dombrowski played was not at all analogous to the role that Lucchino played. It was clear that when Dave came on board that Ben's role was GREATLY diminished. There's a reason we're complaining about Dave Dombrowski's moves and not Mike Hazen. BOH was GM for 4 years and we haven't had a complaint sesh about him! It's clear that something changed with the hiring of Dombrowski.

    17 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    I agree that's what he said.

    I believe Cherington thought he was being replaced/demoted/asked to work for DD and that's why he quit, and that a lot of guys in his position would have done the same.  I'm guessing Henry had a good idea that's what would happen-or maybe he just didn't care one way or the other.

    To me it absolutely counts as changing CBOs...

      

    You can count it as changing CBOs.  But it is inaccurate to count Cherington on the list of CBOs/GMs/whatever that were fired after 4 years…

    2 hours ago, notin said:

    And I’m saying he’s the only CBO where the.blame gets bumped up the ladder all the time.  
     

    Earlier I made a statement about Betts not accepting what DD was offering.  This is 100% true and doesn’t put blame on either side, yet you chimed in to make sure it was Henry and not DD.  
     

    Cherington made a lot of mistakes, most notably Hanley, Pablo and Rusney.  (Although I think Rusney was neglected and underutilized.). I’ve never seen anyone say “well, Henry authorized and made those payments.”


    It gets silly with DD.  I was a Bloom fan for a few years, but I’ve openly criticized him multiple times, starting with the Betts trade.  But no DD fan seems to ever even permit others to criticize DD without immediately chiming in to his defense.  Did DD do some good? Absolutely.  But he also did some bad, and it doesn’t make you less of a fan to acknowledge that.  It might even make you more of one…

    You make some good points, and you do no longer say he "decimated the farm." That is a good direction you took.

    No doubt, all GMs make mistakes. Getting the team to where DD got it in 2018 took a lot of skill and investment. It also took sacrifice, which I was fine with. Others were not. Nobody is right or wrong, because the whole ball of wax is gray in color, anyway.

    2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    The role Dombrowski played was not at all analogous to the role that Lucchino played. It was clear that when Dave came on board that Ben's role was GREATLY diminished. There's a reason we're complaining about Dave Dombrowski's moves and not Mike Hazen. BOH was GM for 4 years and we haven't had a complaint sesh about him! It's clear that something changed with the hiring of Dombrowski.

    All you’re doing is explaining why Cherington quit.  Possibly with 100% accuracy.   But he wasn’t fired and adding him to the “fired  after 4 years” list is inaccurate,  regardless of why he quit…

    6 minutes ago, notin said:

    You can count it as changing CBOs.  But it is inaccurate to count Cherington on the list of CBOs/GMs/whatever that were fired after 4 years…

    I think you're leaning hard on technicalities and I'm not really sure what purpose it serves.

     

     

     

    2 minutes ago, notin said:

    All you’re doing is explaining why Cherington quit.  Possibly with 100% accuracy.   But he wasn’t fired and adding him to the “fired  after 4 years” list is inaccurate,  regardless of why he quit…

    John Henry REPLACES the GM/CBO every 4 years. Is that better? 

    36 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    I think you're leaning hard on technicalities and I'm not really sure what purpose it serves.

     

     

     

    It’s not a technicality to say a guy who wasn’t fired wasn’t fired..

     

    When Cherington was filling out his job application for Toronto, what do you suppose he put under “Reason for leaving last job?”  

    1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Well, I guess we have to dig up the stories, but there were a number of candidates who were invited but declined to interview, including internal options, with more than one citing "family commitments"... 

    This is my exact point, this story was followed with scrutiny in which I've never seen before, so we have nothing to compare it to.

    Here's what I do know, I know what it's like to hire someone, I own a business and I hire people all the time.  I put out an ad and people apply.  In my experience when people apply for a job, they're typically interested in accepting it, although I have offered people a position who have ultimately declined, it happens. 

    I would imagine, that if I went out and offered a position to people who already had a job, I'm going to get a lot more no's. I'm going to run into people who are happy where they are.  I would imagine that if I'm asking people to move their entire families to the other side of the country when they already have a job, I'm going to run into a lot more no's.  

    Imagine you're in a sales position.  I'd imagine you end up closing a lot more deals where people COME TO YOU, rather than going out and trying to solicit business.  It's the nature of the beast, there are only 30 of these jobs on planet earth so of course you're going to have a wish list of guys you want, and I think it's natural that some are going to decline you if you're soliciting them. 

    Think about this, was there ever a time when the open search for a GM/POBO was ever covered like this? When LA/NY/KC/DET/MIA/HOUS/MINN etc etc. went out and hired a new front office executive over the last couple decades were countless stories put out about every person they talked to and offered an interview to and was declined? I can't think of one, we have zero clue how normal what transpired was.  

    But the media certainly had a narrative, and I don't think they really know either......so I didn't buy it. 

    34 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    John Henry REPLACES the GM/CBO every 4 years. Is that better? 

    If you’re that desperate to pervade the false narrative hidden by semantics.

     

    Henry might not be the best person to work for.  He might be insane and impulsive.  I don’t know.  But the 2016!front office departures were not his doing 

    The fact that Dave Dombrowski was fired was very telling. 

    Not always, but typically when you are very high up the corporate ladder you're fired behind closed doors and offered the chance to retire/step down/move on etc etc. 

    To me this suggests, he had strong feelings towards John Henry's demands for budgetary restriction.

    Oh to be a fly on some walls back in 2019.  Some of the conversations that may have transpired that will never come to light would be truly interesting to hear. 

    I'd like to imagine this one happened. 

    "Dave, he won't sign a team friendly deal, and it's going to put us under budget, you need to find the best deal for Mookie Betts you can"

    "John, you're crazy, no one in their right mind would try to trade Mookie Betts without honestly trying to reach an agreement first.  I'm not going to trade you, you're going to have to fire me" 




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