Yanks acquire Jameson Taillon

[jacksonianmarch]

4 prospects, not sure who, are headed to Pitt

[moonslav59]

You win!

 

 

mlbtr reports:

 

The Pirates will receive four prospects in return. ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan (Twitter link) reports that the minor leaguers in question are right-handers Miguel Yajure, Roansy Contreras, infielder Maikol Escotto and outfielder Canaan Smith.

[jacksonianmarch]

The only actual loss is Contreras. He has quite a future with front of rotation type stuff. Yajure is more a back of the rotation type of guy who made his big league debut last year, so he likely slots into one of their rotation spots now. He has the highest floor. Smith is redundant in the outfield, yanks have multiple prospects behind him with much higher ceiling for the outfield. Smith is more a high average, 10 to 15 homer kind of player long term, but he also may just be a fourth outfielder type.Escotto has quite a ceiling as a middle infielder. He destroyed rookie ball in 2019. But he has a long way to go before he is relevant. Either way, this is a light return for Taillon. I expected Schmidt to go for him. I’m happy! Edited January 24, 2021 by jacksonianmarch

[vandero]

...and here in Pittsburgh we have more of the same. The operative philosophy seems to be: stockpile as many prospects as you can, be content with AAA ball for at least the next 3-5 years, and maybe, just maybe, you might have the makings of a young, competitive ball club by 2028.

[jacksonianmarch]

And the one time they try to upgrade their team, they trade a future ace and middle of the order hitter and the guy they acquire (Archer) immediately implodes!

[moonslav59]

Pitt should just fold, despite the nice stadium.

 

They will never win it all or come close, again.

[a700hitter]

Pitt should just fold, despite the nice stadium.

 

They will never win it all or come close, again.

But they have Ben.

[jacksonianmarch]

I’m not gonna lie, but this deal is like a f***ing Christmas present in January. Per MLB, these are the 15th, 19th, 27th and unranked prospects in the system. I think Contreras was higher (MLB had Yajure higher) but none of these guys were the top prospect at their position in the organization. We dealt off guys who were likely blocked for an established top notch 29 yr old starter with two years of control left. This kid should be ready to roll out of the gate and I expect big things with him, especially once he adopts the Yanks pitching philosophy. Charlie Morton and Gerrit Cole blossomed once they left Pitt and used their power more frequently. I expect the same with Taillon

[dgalehouse]

But they have Ben.

 

Ben is focused on building up their farm. What's a few lousy teams and last place finishes when you are working on the future? I think he has a ten year plan. Be very patient Pirate fans. Very , very patient.

[a700hitter]

Ben is focused on building up their farm. What's a few lousy teams and last place finishes when you are working on the future? I think he has a ten year plan. Be very patient Pirate fans. Very , very patient.

They will be great after their last fan dies.

[moonslav59]

I’m not gonna lie, but this deal is like a f***ing Christmas present in January. Per MLB, these are the 15th, 19th, 27th and unranked prospects in the system. I think Contreras was higher (MLB had Yajure higher) but none of these guys were the top prospect at their position in the organization. We dealt off guys who were likely blocked for an established top notch 29 yr old starter with two years of control left. This kid should be ready to roll out of the gate and I expect big things with him, especially once he adopts the Yanks pitching philosophy. Charlie Morton and Gerrit Cole blossomed once they left Pitt and used their power more frequently. I expect the same with Taillon

 

It was nothing short of a big steal.

 

It makes me wonder about the doubts every other GM must have on Taillon.

 

He's not just a one year pitcher. He's not expensive.

[Kimmi]

But they have Ben.

 

Despite your obvious sarcasm, this is exactly true.

 

Ben is doing exactly what he needs to do and what he was hired to do.

[Kimmi]

Ben is focused on building up their farm. What's a few lousy teams and last place finishes when you are working on the future? I think he has a ten year plan. Be very patient Pirate fans. Very , very patient.

 

You have Ben to thank for both 2013 and 2018, so stop.

[Kimmi]

I’m not gonna lie, but this deal is like a f***ing Christmas present in January. Per MLB, these are the 15th, 19th, 27th and unranked prospects in the system. I think Contreras was higher (MLB had Yajure higher) but none of these guys were the top prospect at their position in the organization. We dealt off guys who were likely blocked for an established top notch 29 yr old starter with two years of control left. This kid should be ready to roll out of the gate and I expect big things with him, especially once he adopts the Yanks pitching philosophy. Charlie Morton and Gerrit Cole blossomed once they left Pitt and used their power more frequently. I expect the same with Taillon

 

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. This is a good get for the Yankees. That said, it is not a move without high risk. The Yankees' rotation might potentially be very good, but they have almost as much uncertainty as the Red Sox rotation does.

[moonslav59]

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. This is a good get for the Yankees. That said, it is not a move without high risk. The Yankees' rotation might potentially be very good, but they have almost as much uncertainty as the Red Sox rotation does.

 

What was the risk? The guys they gave up are all worse than Chavis.

[Bellhorn04]

What was the risk? The guys they gave up are all worse than Chavis.

 

She's talking about the risks with Taillon's performance/health status after missing most of the last 2 seasons.

[moonslav59]

She's talking about the risks with Taillon's performance/health status after missing most of the last 2 seasons.

 

I get that, but if he sucks, they've lost 4 guys worse than Chavis.

 

What did they lose?

[Bellhorn04]

I get that, but if he sucks, they've lost 4 guys worse than Chavis.

 

What did they lose?

 

I think we might be talking about 2 different kinds of risk here.

[moonslav59]

I think we might be talking about 2 different kinds of risk here.

 

I don't see anything being called a risk, unless there is something to lose.

 

Worst case- they break even.

 

I suppose one of the long shot prospects might amount to a role player.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't see anything being called a risk, unless there is something to lose.

 

The risk is that the Yankees count on Taillon to be their #2 starter and he pitches poorly or has health issues. It could cost them that way.

 

Both the Yankees and Red Sox rotations are loaded with risky propositions.

[jacksonianmarch]

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. This is a good get for the Yankees. That said, it is not a move without high risk. The Yankees' rotation might potentially be very good, but they have almost as much uncertainty as the Red Sox rotation does.

 

You’re such a homer, lol. There’s now high ceilings, performance, and depth. Our 5 and 6 are top 100s. We have a guy in the wings for June or July who isn’t far removed from back to back top 10 cy young finishes in Sevy. You also don’t have Cole, who is far and away the best and most durable pitcher between the two squads. While adding Richards helps your squad, your rotation is now FAR and away behind the Bronx’ squad. Just like all phases

[a700hitter]

You have Ben to thank for both 2013 and 2018, so stop.

Ben is the King of last place finishes.

[moonslav59]

You’re such a homer, lol. There’s now high ceilings, performance, and depth. Our 5 and 6 are top 100s. We have a guy in the wings for June or July who isn’t far removed from back to back top 10 cy young finishes in Sevy. You also don’t have Cole, who is far and away the best and most durable pitcher between the two squads. While adding Richards helps your squad, your rotation is now FAR and away behind the Bronx’ squad. Just like all phases

 

Cole may be "far and away" the most durable on either staff, but when Sale is at his best, he's better than Cole. (One could argue Kluber is, too.)

 

I know you have no respect for Sale and other Sox pitchers with health issues, and you may end up being proven right, but we'll see.

[jacksonianmarch]

I respect what Sale was. I also am aware that he was losing his power due to a shoulder injury. Then his effort increased, which is why his control suffered and why his elbow exploded. I don’t think you’re gonna see vintage Sale ever again. I also don’t think you’re gonna see vintage ERod until mid season.

[jacksonianmarch]

I totally forgot about German. As it stands, right now, Deivi Garcia and Clarke Schmidt are likely to be the 1-2 punch in our AAA rotation. Then when Sevy comes back, we shall see who gets bumped.

[moonslav59]

I respect what Sale was. I also am aware that he was losing his power due to a shoulder injury. Then his effort increased, which is why his control suffered and why his elbow exploded. I don’t think you’re gonna see vintage Sale ever again. I also don’t think you’re gonna see vintage ERod until mid season.

 

You know, jacko, for all the crap I give you, I respect you a lot, and I know you know more about medicine and injuries than I do, but I'm not sure where you get your data from.

 

1) You once claimed Sale's velocity fell off a cliff, and the fangraphs graphs I provided showed a much less drop than you claimed.

2) You ignored Sale's success after his short-lived return, despite the drop in velocity. (His highest K rates of his career were 2017, 2018 and 2019, including a 13.3 K/9 in 2019.

3) Now, you mention that his "control suffered." When?

 

True, his 2019 BB/9 (2.3) rate was higher than his previous few seasons, but his career BB/9 is 2.1, so that seems pretty slight when you factor in he was recovering while pitching.

 

BTW, his last 3 games of 2019 saw him K 29 in 18.1 IP and walk only 2.

 

His last 2 games, he had 25 Ks in 14.2 IP with 2 BB and 7 hits (1.84 ERA)

 

Look, you may end up being right. You may even probably end up being right, but Sale was great as soon as 1.5 years ago.

 

He's not old. Many pitchers have comeback from what he has suffered. You may end up eating your words.

 

I'm not saying he will return to norm, but if he can come back to just 75% of his best, he could still be a great starter and possibly better than anyone on the Yanks, except Cole, assuming they don't "comeback" as well as he does.

 

I realize many Yankee starters have "lesser injuries," but so do Eovaldi and Richards. (ERod is the biggest unknown.)

 

[Kimmi]

I don't see anything being called a risk, unless there is something to lose.

 

Worst case- they break even.

 

I suppose one of the long shot prospects might amount to a role player.

 

The high risk is two fold:

 

1. The Yankees are counting on another guy in the rotation who might not be able to provide much production.

2. If Taillon doesn't provide any effective innings, the Yankees have given up 4 prospects for nothing. You can call it breaking even, but it's not, regardless of whether the prospects may or may not amount to much.

[Kimmi]

You’re such a homer, lol. There’s now high ceilings, performance, and depth. Our 5 and 6 are top 100s. We have a guy in the wings for June or July who isn’t far removed from back to back top 10 cy young finishes in Sevy. You also don’t have Cole, who is far and away the best and most durable pitcher between the two squads. While adding Richards helps your squad, your rotation is now FAR and away behind the Bronx’ squad. Just like all phases

 

I may be a homer, but pot, meet kettle.

 

Yes, you have Cole. After that, you have as much health uncertainty as the Red Sox have.

[moonslav59]

The high risk is two fold:

 

1. The Yankees are counting on another guy in the rotation who might not be able to provide much production.

2. If Taillon doesn't provide any effective innings, the Yankees have given up 4 prospects for nothing. You can call it breaking even, but it's not, regardless of whether the prospects may or may not amount to much.

 

Actually, they don't need Taillon to throw one pitch, this year, so I don't see them structuring their team around him.

 

Yes, if one of these long shot prospects comes through, they could lose something, but the Yanks have a much stronger and deeper farm than us, so losing these 4 are hardly a blip on their screen.

 

I can see your point, but I don't see much of a "risk" at all.

 

I'd have given much more than what the Yanks gave up, and that might have been a "risk," so maybe that's why I'm viewing it this way.

[jacksonianmarch]

Kimmi is one of the last bastion of Sox homers who thinks the Sox have a chance in 21, so she’s projecting her hopes rather than real likelihood’s or what she actually knows is true.

 

You cannot keep all your prospects. 2 were already on the 40 man and Smith could have needed to be added by the end of 21. And we dealt NONE of our top 14 prospects. Zero, zilch, nada. And we got a guy with ace stuff and ace upside who will leave Pitt and adopt the same philosophy that Cole did when he left Pitt. This kid is healthy now and under control for two seasons. I’m expecting huge things out of him