Bloom move your asssssss

[moonslav59]

Other than Cherington, what front office people did Dombrowski drive away?

 

But really, no doubt DD was an a-hole. But Henry knew that when he hired him from their time together in Florida. I believe as long as those pennants were hanging, DD was safe. But once they stopped, DD was in trouble, and the mess everyone knew was coming when they hired him got here too fast. But if the Sox won the AL East in 2019, no way would DD have been fired. His management style was clearly acceptable when they were winning...

 

DD is like the Billy Martin of GMs.

[Swiharts Ghost]

AJ Pollock for David Price and Mookie Betts ... That is the deal this idiot Bloom is working on ....

[Elktonnick]

I stopped paying attention to the Globe sports page long ago.

 

You know that Peter Gammons left the Boston Globe over 30 years ago.

[moonslav59]

You know that Peter Gammons left the Boston Globe over 30 years ago.

 

Wow, it's been that long?

 

As you age, you lose track of dates.

[moonslav59]

AJ Pollock for David Price and Mookie Betts ... That is the deal this idiot Bloom is working on ....

 

Lets wait to see before using the idiot word.

[Swiharts Ghost]

We get anything less than Seager screw them

[moonslav59]

We get anything less than Seager screw them

 

Then no trade. It's one year of Betts at about $28M.

 

The Dodgers have a lot of players and prospects I'd like. There's no need to demand just one guy, especially when he's not even the most valuable one.

[moonslav59]

AJ Pollock for David Price and Mookie Betts ... That is the deal this idiot Bloom is working on ....

 

Where did you hear this?

[harmony]

Where did you hear this?

https://www.dodgersnation.com/dodgers-potential-mookie-betts-trade-package-discussed-on-mlb-network/2019/12/18/

[notin]

The last three lines of the portion of the article said; "In fact, when Dombrowski arrived in Boston, Kennedy picked him up at the airport. Dombrowski asked Kennedy to arrange a meeting between him and Cherington. He’d been hired and didn’t know Cherington was already gone. A year later, Hazen, Jared Porter and Amiel Sawdaye, three key figures in a decade of success, left for Arizona with no love lost for Dombrowski."

 

Once again the evidence strongly suggests that Henry and Werner decided not to renew DDs contract in the spring around April. Remember Henry said he was going to renew DDs contract in February well before ST had begun. The fact that he did not do so then is highly suggestive that Henry had no intention of renewing the contract.

Since the Sox did not make the playoffs means we will never know. But I think FO staff were so miserable and the work environment so toxic as I recall one Boston sportwriter putting it that Henry could no longer tolerate DDs leadership style.

 

None of that means Henry was fine with his overspending. In fact, all of that happened prio to the 2019 February announcement that DD would get extended. In fact, most of that happened before Henry announced on the field DD would get an extension.

 

However, since February, DD did extend Sale and Bogaerts. Those contracts, on top of numerous others, appear to have been a factor.

 

Of course, like many, I think that Henry and Co. might have tolerated all of that if they kept winning...

[S5Dewey]

None of that means Henry was fine with his overspending. In fact, all of that happened prio to the 2019 February announcement that DD would get extended. In fact, most of that happened before Henry announced on the field DD would get an extension.

 

However, since February, DD did extend Sale and Bogaerts. Those contracts, on top of numerous others, appear to have been a factor.

 

Of course, like many, I think that Henry and Co. might have tolerated all of that if they kept winning...

 

I agree completely with this ^^ post. Everyone does a cost/benefit analysis on everything they buy. In JH's case it was worth putting up with DD as long as the $$$$ kept flowing in and bragging rights were maintained. When revenues went down and the team was barely competitive keeping DD and his "management style" weren't worth it any more.

[Elktonnick]

None of that means Henry was fine with his overspending. In fact, all of that happened prio to the 2019 February announcement that DD would get extended. In fact, most of that happened before Henry announced on the field DD would get an extension.

 

However, since February, DD did extend Sale and Bogaerts. Those contracts, on top of numerous others, appear to have been a factor.

 

Of course, like many, I think that Henry and Co. might have tolerated all of that if they kept winning...

Henry could have stopped the over spending but he chose not to. These contracts only became a factor in the cover story after DD was fired just as Chris Russo said on nationwide radio and tv on the MLB network the day following DR's firingg. Hey you can believe in DDs spending being the reason if you want to. But those major baseball writers and MLB.analyst with access to better sources are not buying the Red Sox cover story.

[notin]

AJ Pollock for David Price and Mookie Betts ... That is the deal this idiot Bloom is working on ....

 

 

If you read the article, Bloom had nothing to do with any of it. That’s just a proposal some sportswriters threw around, one of them being former Rockies’ GM Dan O ‘Dowd. There are other links below with other proposals, but as far as anyone know, neither Bloom nor Friedman have discussed those deals...

[notin]

Henry could have stopped the over spending but he chose not to. These contracts only became a factor in the cover story after DD was fired just as Chris Russo said on nationwide radio and tv on the MLB network the day following DR's firingg. Hey you can believe in DDs spending being the reason if you want to. But those major baseball writers and MLB.analyst with access to better sources are not buying the Red Sox cover story.

 

 

I’m sure it was all factors in his hiring and firing. Ironically, my original post on the subject way back when never said he was fired due to heavy spending, just that the “heavy spending GM was fired” and replaced by the thrifty guy.

 

To me, the biggest irony in all of this is you believe these sportswriters when they tell you why DD was fired but not when they tell you the team has budget issues and has to react to them. This is really weird because that they have budget issues should surprise no one...

[jacksonianmarch]

DD and the prior regime were on the opposite sides of the philosophical debate of spend or build. Of course DD wouldn’t be able to keep those guys. It’s like a republican taking over and keeping a Democrat as a LT Gov. That isn’t gonna happen

[Bellhorn04]

Henry could have stopped the over spending but he chose not to. These contracts only became a factor in the cover story after DD was fired just as Chris Russo said on nationwide radio and tv on the MLB network the day following DR's firingg. Hey you can believe in DDs spending being the reason if you want to. But those major baseball writers and MLB.analyst with access to better sources are not buying the Red Sox cover story.

 

It's not just the spending. It's the barren farm system. The Red Sox obviously need someone to rebuild the farm, and no one in their right mind would think DD is that guy.

[jacksonianmarch]

I do wonder if a deal of JBJ to the Phillies for Odubel Herrera might work. Odubel was having a great early career. He got a 5yr $30 mil extension then hit a rough patch in 2018 and was suspended for most of 2019. He’s a change of scenery guy. Yes, he has 2 yrs and $17 mil left on that contract, but by lux tax assessment, he costs $6 mil AAV, about half of what JBJ is projected to make.

[notin]

I do wonder if a deal of JBJ to the Phillies for Odubel Herrera might work. Odubel was having a great early career. He got a 5yr $30 mil extension then hit a rough patch in 2018 and was suspended for most of 2019. He’s a change of scenery guy. Yes, he has 2 yrs and $17 mil left on that contract, but by lux tax assessment, he costs $6 mil AAV, about half of what JBJ is projected to make.

 

 

I suggested a trade once with the framework of Herrera and Dave Robertson for Price. The Sox get a CF and good RP coming off an injury-plagued season and save $17mill in AAV with potential to reach $28mill in AAV once they deal Bradley.

 

If they deal Bradley and Price for the same pair, it happens all at once. But Philly winds up taking on in excess of $80mill and might not be so accommodating...

[Elktonnick]

It's not just the spending. It's the barren farm system. The Red Sox obviously need someone to rebuild the farm, and no one in their right mind would think DD is that guy.

I agree that one issues dividing DD from the rest of the FO were issues such as the farm. DD refused to accept input from others. The disagreement over these issues was not however why DD was fired but rather HOW DD handled subordinates opposing points of view. He apparently made others feel that their points of view did not matter and began cutting them out completely. That was rap against him for bringing in Wren and LaRussa. I also suspect that is why Cherrington did not want to remain in Boston. He knew of DDs lone ranger act reputation. But the substance of the disagreements weren't why Henry and Werner finally decided not to renew his contract in February. It was the toxic environment. Remember as in major corporation Henry and the Board had to sign off of any contract of the magnitude that Sale received.

I think Henry would have stuck with DD regardless of the state of the farm and the big contracts if he had managed the FO better and treated his subordinates with more respect.

I think that was point of Gammons article and Chris Russo's comments.

[harmony]

Chaim Bloom is on the job:

 

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/red-sox-sign-jett-bandy.html

 

... and more:

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by harmony

[Elktonnick]

Chaim Bloom is on the job:

 

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/red-sox-sign-jett-bandy.html

 

... and more:

 

 

Judging from the comments on twitter I would say everyone is underwhelmed.

[notin]

Judging from the comments on twitter I would say everyone is underwhelmed.

 

 

He doesn’t have the payroll to add Manny and Ortiz. What should he be doing?

[Elktonnick]

He doesn’t have the payroll to add Manny and Ortiz. What should he be doing?

 

Red Sox revenue was 516 Million in 2018, up from 453 million in 2017 and 434 million in 2016 and 398 million in 2015. The idea that the Red Sox doesn't have the "payroll' is ludicrous. Their Lux Tax bill was slightly more than JBJ's salary. In any case I thought Bloom was brought in to get below the Lux Tax. Still waiting for any movement on that front.

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox revenue was 516 Million in 2018, up from 453 million in 2017 and 434 million in 2016 and 398 million in 2015. The idea that the Red Sox doesn't have the "payroll' is ludicrous. Their Lux Tax bill was slightly more than JBJ's salary.

 

It would be very punitive this year though, because it would be the third year over the threshold. Plus they would lose revenue sharing money.

[notin]

Red Sox revenue was 516 Million in 2018, up from 453 million in 2017 and 434 million in 2016 and 398 million in 2015. The idea that the Red Sox doesn't have the "payroll' is ludicrous. Their Lux Tax bill was slightly more than JBJ's salary. In any case I thought Bloom was brought in to get below the Lux Tax. Still waiting for any movement on that front.

 

It turns out getting people to take Price off his hands might be a shorter line than you expect.

 

Also, yes the luxury tax bill was less than they paid Rusney Castillo last year, but apparently the penalties for exceeding again this year total up to a loss of approximately $100 mill. This has been written in multiple sources, none of whom work for the Red Sox...

[Bellhorn04]

It turns out getting people to take Price off his hands might be a shorter line than you expect.

 

Also, yes the luxury tax bill was less than they paid Rusney Castillo last year, but apparently the penalties for exceeding again this year total up to a loss of approximately $100 mill. This has been written in multiple sources, none of whom work for the Red Sox...

 

$100 million over a 3 year period, just to clarify.

[Elktonnick]

$100 million over a 3 year period, just to clarify.

 

There will be a new CBA before the third year penalties kick in. The current thinking is that the players will never agree to a continuation of the current Lux Tax regime so the fears of that large a penalty are largely misplaced. In any case the growth in Red Sox revenue well out paces the financial burden of any potential lux tax. By not fielding a competitive team will likely have a more adverse affect on total revenues than any tax penalty.

[Bellhorn04]

By not fielding a competitive team will likely have a more adverse affect on total revenues than any tax penalty.

 

I do agree that not fielding a competitive team will have an adverse affect. That's what makes it interesting to see exactly what they do.

[notin]

There will be a new CBA before the third year penalties kick in. The current thinking is that the players will never agree to a continuation of the current Lux Tax regime so the fears of that large a penalty are largely misplaced. In any case the growth in Red Sox revenue well out paces the financial burden of any potential lux tax. By not fielding a competitive team will likely have a more adverse affect on total revenues than any tax penalty.

 

 

Other than jacko, no one has suggested they won’t be competitive. Unless you’re one of those who believes spending heavily is the only way to compete...

[Bellhorn04]

Other than jacko, no one has suggested they won’t be competitive. Unless you’re one of those who believes spending heavily is the only way to compete...

 

Well, Bloom has his work cut out there, you have to admit.

 

We're going to be subtracting talent, clearly, from an 84-win team whose pitching rotation features health question marks in Sale and Eovaldi.