06/30/19 Yankees (Tarpley) @ Red Sox (E-Rod)

[Jasonbay44]

I just read that the Red Sox have lost 8 games where they’ve scored at least 7 runs

[YastrzemskI]

I just read that the Red Sox have lost 8 games where they’ve scored at least 7 runs

 

Factor in 16 blown saves this season.

[TylerD]

We don't suck our GM has sucked we are the same group we need a few tweaks that's why many here are ******** it's taking so long .

 

Our bullpen other than Brewer is terrible. Would like to see at least two relievers if not 3. A closer is needed. But the offense did all they could to win. And E Rod was good. This bullpen is so frustrating

[Swiharts Ghost]

I just read that the Red Sox have lost 8 games where they’ve scored at least 7 runs

 

JB when will Dave make a move in your opinion ? Seems like he's really slow to address a need so glaring .

[d-money]

The way they had been playing they deserved to get bitch slapped in London. Now they get toronto a team they couldn’t even take a series from.

[d-money]

Rays are winning so likely 4 games out of the top wildcard spot.

[jacksonianmarch]

What a two game set. Man, the Sox pen is abysmal

[Swiharts Ghost]

Our bullpen other than Brewer is terrible. Would like to see at least two relievers if not 3. A closer is needed. But the offense did all they could to win. And E Rod was good. This bullpen is so frustrating

 

Hey I'm there right with you and Jung .I do think wright and Hembre and Evo will make a big impact .I believe we need a closer maybe that's Evo ? Maybe we get a second closer like Greene ? How's this bullpen look with Evo Greene Hembre Wright leading the way ? How about adding a Power bat because we are lacking in RISP and HR .Add Greene and a Power Bat we have a shot .

[Swiharts Ghost]

What a two game set. Man, the Sox pen is abysmal

 

It's the difference for sure .But it will be addressed .Its not how you start it's how you finish .

Edited June 30, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[TylerD]

Hey I'm there right with you and Jung .I do think wright and Hembre and Evo will make a big impact .I believe we need a closer maybe that's Evo ? Maybe we get a second closer like Greene ? How's this bullpen look with Evo Greene Hembre Wright leading the way ? How about adding a Power bat because we are lacking in RISP and HR .Add Greene and a Power Bat we have a shot .

 

Agreed. Actually that wouldn’t be a bad idea having Nathan close. Adding maybe another 1 or 2 relievers with Weight in there could change and improve this bullpen. I’m curious what Cora has to say. He seems to be pretty quiet on what needs changing.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Agreed. Actually that wouldn’t be a bad idea having Nathan close. Adding maybe another 1 or 2 relievers with Weight in there could change and improve this bullpen. I’m curious what Cora has to say. He seems to be pretty quiet on what needs changing.

 

I'm not in the Evo for closer every night hence a two headed monster .We need two .Last year we had Kelly and Craig and sometimes Matt very rarely though .This year it's been Brasier ,Matt rarely workman .Imagine a backend of Hembre ,Workman and wright sharing time in the 7th Evo for the 8th and sometimes closes along with Greene ? That's a lock down BP .Now You can go get a Power hitter like Hunter Renfroe playing RF and Moving JDM full time DH .Move Chavis to 2nd splitting time with Marco and have Mitch and Pearce split time at first .Tweak the roster like this ? I truly think we are a rocket ship.

Edited June 30, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[TylerD]

I'm not in the Evo for closer every night hence a two headed monster .We need two .

 

Maybe try Brewer? He’s been solid lately.

[OH FOY]

Boone just said it they felt they could hit the Sox BP. Cessa did a damn good job, to stop the bleeding. Ottavino, held it, and Yanks blasted the Sox BP.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Maybe try Brewer? He’s been solid lately.

 

Brewer ? Yeah maybe for low leverage along with Hembre and Wright then I'd use workman Evo Greene for high lev situations .This is not a hard fix .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Boone just said it they felt they could hit the Sox BP. Cessa did a damn good job, to stop the bleeding. Ottavino, held it, and Yanks blasted the Sox BP.

 

Boone knows what's coming the next shoe to drop next is Boston getting Hembre Evo and trading for a closer .Not how you start it's how you finish .

[jacksonianmarch]

Boone just said it they felt they could hit the Sox BP. Cessa did a damn good job, to stop the bleeding. Ottavino, held it, and Yanks blasted the Sox BP.

 

That's the thing. The Yanks aren't afraid of the sox pen. Just work the starters and try to scratch across some runs, get them out before the 6th and rake vs the overmatched pen. DD doesn't need just a closer. He needs 2 high end relievers. That pen is shot in effectiveness and confidence

[jacksonianmarch]

And you may need to contend with the Yankees in the relief market. With Stroman down, Bumgarner sucking and Scherzer's team back in the race, the only pitcher theoretically on the market is Boyd. The Tigers asking price is enormous, so he isn't moving at least to the Bronx. The rumor is the Yanks are looking at Smith as a contingency to add to the pen. If you cannot get a starter, have a dynamite lockdown pen that runs 5 guys deep

[Swiharts Ghost]

And you may need to contend with the Yankees in the relief market. With Stroman down, Bumgarner sucking and Scherzer's team back in the race, the only pitcher theoretically on the market is Boyd. The Tigers asking price is enormous, so he isn't moving at least to the Bronx. The rumor is the Yanks are looking at Smith as a contingency to add to the pen. If you cannot get a starter, have a dynamite lockdown pen that runs 5 guys deep

 

This year is Far from over .The Yankees are the halfway Champs but let's not think there is massive gap here we both know what's up .

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

If I'm John Henry this is humiliating him greatly

 

While he's counting the money he made at this circus, I'm sure he's really humiliated. This was never about baseball; it was all about money. Isn't that shocking news?

Note to all of us non-millionaire fans: As someone wisely posted a while ago, we take these losses harder than the players and the organization.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Btw, if you want another WC, get a new manager and GM next year.

[TylerD]

Brewer ? Yeah maybe for low leverage along with Hembre and Wright then I'd use workman Evo Greene for high lev situations .This is not a hard fix .

 

Ya it’s definitrly better than what we are doing. Hard to believe we would score 21 runs this weekend and get swept.

[a700hitter]

I just read that the Red Sox have lost 8 games where they’ve scored at least 7 runs

The deficiency on this team couldn't be more glaring.

[jacksonianmarch]

Its not every year that we can measure ourselves v the Yankmees though we tend to do it out of habit. This is one year when we justifiably can and its not a pretty picture. But that is as much for what the Yankmees have done as much as we haven't. IMO, expecting DD to spring for big bucks is likely a pipe dream. Henry is not interested. His money is from the network and the carnival they run at Fenway every game.

 

I suspect Henry is curtailing DD because if the owner doesn't DD will lay waste to the franchise farm system and the budget all at the same time. Its inevitable with DD unless the owner steps in.

 

DD already has. He’s destroyed the farm. It’s 30th in baseball and just graduated it’s top prospect. Casas is the only guy with actual promise and he’s in A ball. The rest is a group of 3 tool prospects or two pitch prospects who project as flawed big leaguers at best. That ship has already sailed. If DD thinks he’s got a team that can recover enough to make the playoffs and make some noise after that, then he has to make additions. That’s the question, though. Does DD think this team has the will to win, or does he think he’s best to keep his flawed kids for the offseason when he can adjust and add for an entire year?

[jacksonianmarch]

This year is Far from over .The Yankees are the halfway Champs but let's not think there is massive gap here we both know what's up .

 

There is a massive gap in talent and performance. Can it be made up by guys having career season type second halves? Maybe. We’ve demolished the AL and have run up a 107 win pace with no contribution from an MVP (Stanton), a two years running top ten CY starter (Sevy), and our best reliever from last year (Betances). We are going to be getting better with no roster adds if these guys can make it back

[TylerD]

DD already has. He’s destroyed the farm. It’s 30th in baseball and just graduated it’s top prospect. Casas is the only guy with actual promise and he’s in A ball. The rest is a group of 3 tool prospects or two pitch prospects who project as flawed big leaguers at best. That ship has already sailed. If DD thinks he’s got a team that can recover enough to make the playoffs and make some noise after that, then he has to make additions. That’s the question, though. Does DD think this team has the will to win, or does he think he’s best to keep his flawed kids for the offseason when he can adjust and add for an entire year?

 

The Yankees are a better team than us there is no question but Houston looks lousy and we split a series against Texas and won against Minnesota. The farm team might not be that good but considering this year it shouldn’t have mattered. We had enough talent on paper to compete and make playoffs. I still stand by my original statement. With Sale on his A game we can beat anyone in a wild card game. Tampa, Texas, Oakland etc. This bullpen and our horrendous start to the season is what killed us. With Wright pitching now and eventually get Eovaldi back and if we could get even a 1 or 2 relievers we would be a good team. The offense more than did their part this weekend but Porcello and the bullpen were a joke.

 

It’s actually amazing given how bad we have played we are only 2.5 games from a playoff spot. Still a lot of season left. There have been ups and downs and there are some that think we need an entirely different roster and big changes. Honestly a couple decent relievers and this team would be in a playoff spot by a long way.

 

Also us not being as good as the Yankees this year is not an insult. The Yankees are damn good. Nobody other than maybe the Dodgers looks close to them. Same as us last year. We steam rolled everyone in the playoffs. We are 1-6 against the Yanks. They own us this year. That’s about the only team that I would put money on beating us this year. Maybe a healthy Houston team but they haven’t looked good at all lately. I still take our chances against Minnesota, Tampa and Texas. And that’s with our atrocious bullpen.

[d-money]

This team is 1-6 this season against the Yankees. They’re a lot better than us right now unless we make some changes and just not the BP.

 

Went 3-3 at home against the blue jays and white sox at home.

[d-money]

The Yankees are a better team than us there is no question but Houston looks lousy and we split a series against Texas and won against Minnesota. The farm team might not be that good but considering this year it shouldn’t have mattered. We had enough talent on paper to compete and make playoffs. I still stand by my original statement. With Sale on his A game we can beat anyone in a wild card game. Tampa, Texas, Oakland etc. This bullpen and our horrendous start to the season is what killed us. With Wright pitching now and eventually get Eovaldi back and if we could get even a 1 or 2 relievers we would be a good team. The offense more than did their part this weekend but Porcello and the bullpen were a joke.

 

It’s actually amazing given how bad we have played we are only 2.5 games from a playoff spot. Still a lot of season left. There have been ups and downs and there are some that think we need an entirely different roster and big changes. Honestly a couple decent relievers and this team would be in a playoff spot by a long way.

 

 

Also us not being as good as the Yankees this year is not an insult. The Yankees are damn good. Nobody other than maybe the Dodgers looks close to them. Same as us last year. We steam rolled everyone in the playoffs. We are 1-6 against the Yanks. They own us this year. That’s about the only team that I would put money on beating us this year. Maybe a healthy Houston team but they haven’t looked good at all lately. I still take our chances against Minnesota, Tampa and Texas. And that’s with our atrocious bullpen.

 

A lot of teams are in the wildcard mix right now. The winner likely faces the Yankees because they will have the best record in the AL most likely.

[jung]

Lol yes but Daves job is to get that check book cracked my friend let's agree on that .

 

Actually now that I think about it, if DD wants to spend more money on players this year he has to go to Kennedy first. Kennedy is now the CEO, not just the President as he was when DD was hired. So DD has to make a baseball case to Kennedy and Kennedy has to make a business case. Considering anything they spend at this point likely kicks them into more lux tax expense, Kennedy probably either goes himself to Henry for a decision or drags DD along with him to Henry for a decision on any expenditures for players.

[TylerD]

A lot of teams are in the wildcard mix right now. The winner likely faces the Yankees because they will have the best record in the AL most likely.

 

Missing playoffs is a bust to me for sure. Going from what we did last year to not even making playoffs is insane. Making playoffs and losing a hard fought series to the Yankees wouldn’t be a bust in my opinion. If our bullpen was half respectable we sweep them this weekend. Offense was more than good enough.

[jacksonianmarch]

Like i said before, though, the drop from 33 to 43 cost the Sox about $550K in draft budget. Dropping from 18 to 28 will cost them over $1 mil. It’s easy to cross the final line when you’re picking very late. It’s much harder to do it when you’re looking to be picking in the middle of the pack. But then again, it needs to be weighed against the Sox chances. If Kennedy thinks the Sox can make a run, then you take this year over next and make the acquisitions.