Batting Lineup

[Slasher9]

Also, hacking

 

wait...i thought it was st louis that hacked houston?

[notin]

I think Cora , and other managers as well , are being pressured to go along with the recommendations of the analytical crew . And I think it is going a little too far . I want a baseball man ( and Cora is one ) making the decisions , not baseball's nutty professor , Bill ( the players aren't the game ) James .

 

 

Again, it’s always been this way.

 

Managers are pressured to win. If analytics help them win, they want them.

 

The only change is what analytics are used. Baseball has been a stat driven sport for a long time now.

 

Even Earl Weaver, famous for his mantra of “pitching, defense, and three-run homers” used the available analytics. While Weaver tried to pass himself off as an “old school” fire and brimstone baseball guy, he was a complete slave to his available analytics. He employed position platoons more than any other contemporary manager, he used the a pitching rotation because the available data related pitcher rest to pitcher success (although he rebelled slightly with a 4 man rotation a lot) and he used lefty-righty bullpen matchups because data told him it worked. Weaver was also a front runner in de-emphasizing the importance of stolen bases.

 

Think Connie Mack did any of that? (Mack once used Christy Mathewson and Joe McGinnity to start a combined 90 of his teams 139 games, and then used them a combined 10 more times in relief.)

[notin]

wait...i thought it was st louis that hacked houston?

 

I knew they were involved but i didn’t look it up. But St. Louis did hack Houston. The guy who did it was named “Correa”, a name I normally associate with the Astros...

[Kimmi]

I think Cora , and other managers as well , are being pressured to go along with the recommendations of the analytical crew . And I think it is going a little too far . I want a baseball man ( and Cora is one ) making the decisions , not baseball's nutty professor , Bill ( the players aren't the game ) James .

 

I agree that some managers are being pressured against their will to follow what the analytics say.

 

However, Cora is an analytics guy. He is not being pressured into anything. He believes in them.

[bosoxmal]

Mookie would still go to the plate looking for a walk! He has letat least 50 1st pitch 92mph fastball, middle of the plate, zip by him this year.

 

The bottom 3rd of any lineup you want to pay will hit .180. What's the difference who hits where if none of them are hitting? Question should be WHY

[Maxbialystock]

I agree that some managers are being pressured against their will to follow what the analytics say.

 

However, Cora is an analytics guy. He is not being pressured into anything. He believes in them.

 

Yup. But he also has a pretty good human touch.

Edited April 18, 2019 by Maxbialystock

[Maxbialystock]

Back to the lineup. While I think one lineup can work better than another on a given night, I also think there is a lot of hocus-pocus that defies analytics. I would bat Vazquez 14th if I could, but last night he hit that 2 run dinger in a game where Mookie was hitless and the Sox were 0 for 3 with RISP.

 

Bottom line: I love to comment on lineups, but find it hard to criticize whatever Cora decides upon.

 

Also, I remember last year's unending, dismal dirge about the bottom (7, 8, and 9) of the batting order and what a disaster it was. Sometimes it was, but the Sox still scored in the most runs, 876, in MLB. And basically all of those guys are back.

[Kimmi]

It doesn't matter where Mookie bats.

 

He needs to get it going soon though.

 

Someone has said many times that this offense goes as Mookie goes.

 

The top of the order needs to get it going.

[Maxbialystock]

It doesn't matter where Mookie bats.

 

He needs to get it going soon though.

 

Someone has said many times that this offense goes as Mookie goes.

 

The top of the order needs to get it going.

 

OPS's at or near the top of the order--

 

Bogie .996

JDM 1.143

Mookie .762

Beni .915

Moreland 1.071

 

Sure looks to me as though Mookie is the odd man out. Worse is Devers at .705, but he left the top part of the order after maybe 3 games there.

 

But, honestly, I give Mookie a pass right now because he's just one bat out of 9.

 

Our rotation is what is killing us and now maybe the bullpen. Team ERA of 6.01 is 29th in MLB.

[Bellhorn04]

OPS's at or near the top of the order--

 

Bogie .996

JDM 1.143

Mookie .762

Beni .915

Moreland 1.071

 

 

Where did you get those numbers?

[Kimmi]

OPS's at or near the top of the order--

 

Bogie .996

JDM 1.143

Mookie .762

Beni .915

Moreland 1.071

 

Sure looks to me as though Mookie is the odd man out. Worse is Devers at .705, but he left the top part of the order after maybe 3 games there.

 

But, honestly, I give Mookie a pass right now because he's just one bat out of 9.

 

Our rotation is what is killing us and now maybe the bullpen. Team ERA of 6.01 is 29th in MLB.

 

Oh I'm not trying to pin all of our losses on Mookie. Starting pitching remains the biggest culprit of why our team has performed so badly.

 

That said, our offense hasn't been that great either, and Mookie is supposed to be one of our biggest bats.

 

He will come around. He is suffering from low BABIP syndrome.

[Kimmi]

Where did you get those numbers?

 

OK, I had to double check the numbers after this post:

 

Bogaerts batting 2nd: .583

JD batting 3rd: 1.601

Mookie batting 1st or 2nd: .676

Beni batting 1st or 2nd: .812

Moreland batting 3rd: .958

 

JD having such a great OPS batting 3rd is somewhat going to waste if the guys in front of him are not getting on base.

[oldtimer]

OK, I had to double check the numbers after this post:

 

Bogaerts batting 2nd: .583

JD batting 3rd: 1.601

Mookie batting 1st or 2nd: .676

Beni batting 1st or 2nd: .812

Moreland batting 3rd: .958

 

JD having such a great OPS batting 3rd is somewhat going to waste if the guys in front of him are not getting on base.

 

I thought Bogaerts was hitting better so looked him up. The number for OPS today is .871 whereas you show .583. Sum Ting Wong as the old Chinese philosopher said.

[notin]

I thought Bogaerts was hitting better so looked him up. The number for OPS today is .871 whereas you show .583. Sum Ting Wong as the old Chinese philosopher said.

 

 

His OPS for the season is .871

 

His OPS when batting 2nd is .583

His OPS when batting 4th is .885

His OPS when batting 5th is .944

 

 

Worth pointing out he has only 12 PA batting 2nd and only 13 batting 4th...

[oldtimer]

His OPS for the season is .871

 

His OPS when batting 2nd is .583

His OPS when batting 4th is .885

His OPS when batting 5th is .944

 

 

Worth pointing out he has only 12 PA batting 2nd and only 13 batting 4th...

 

I see now what you were saying. I misread your comment.