Yankees 2017-2018 Hot Stove

[moonslav59]

If the Yanks have $25M to spend, why do they need to include Ellsbury (as reported on MLBTR) in any trade for Machado?

[jacksonianmarch]

I get the ideals for the Yankees that they can go out and go big. The thing is, we do have a 40 man crunch and I expect to see a ton of Yankees to be selected tomorrow in the Rule V. What I don't understand is the urgency to add to our lineup when we have MLB ready, highly regarded rookies waiting in the wings AND we have a lineup 1-7 that can stand with practically any lineup out there past or present. I get the idea of wanting a top flight pitcher, but we do have a very solid rotation. We have a pen that is rivalled by none. Unless a deal fell into Cash's lap, I wouldn't be as aggressive as he is.

 

My only thought is, maybe Cash has identified which prospects might have hit their peak value. if that is the case, trade away Cash, trade away

[moonslav59]

I get the ideals for the Yankees that they can go out and go big. The thing is, we do have a 40 man crunch and I expect to see a ton of Yankees to be selected tomorrow in the Rule V. What I don't understand is the urgency to add to our lineup when we have MLB ready, highly regarded rookies waiting in the wings AND we have a lineup 1-7 that can stand with practically any lineup out there past or present. I get the idea of wanting a top flight pitcher, but we do have a very solid rotation. We have a pen that is rivalled by none. Unless a deal fell into Cash's lap, I wouldn't be as aggressive as he is.

 

My only thought is, maybe Cash has identified which prospects might have hit their peak value. if that is the case, trade away Cash, trade away

 

Well trading 3 from the 40 man roster for one stud would help solve the 40 man roster squeeze to some extent.

[jacksonianmarch]

It would. But who do you deal?

 

Scout had a good article and they think we should package Acevedo with Frazier and get something really shiny. We could do that with ease, but I think we should package guys together and get young, controllable pitching if anything. Then again, we already have young, controllable pitching

[moonslav59]

It would. But who do you deal?

 

Scout had a good article and they think we should package Acevedo with Frazier and get something really shiny. We could do that with ease, but I think we should package guys together and get young, controllable pitching if anything. Then again, we already have young, controllable pitching

 

Yes, the idea is to package 2-3 shiny players for an extra shiny player- either with more upside or more years of control.

 

One could also try the plan that I'm not sure has ever been done before- give up a shiny young player to entice someone to take Ellsbury with him- thereby creating spending space for several years to come and create one more 40-man roster slot for a shiny player in danger of being lost in next year's rule 5.

[jacksonianmarch]

We did that to some degree with Headley. We dealt Mitchell, a guy who would make the major league clubs of most of the other 29 in the game, with Headley so the Padres would eat the entire contract

[moonslav59]

We did that to some degree with Headley. We dealt Mitchell, a guy who would make the major league clubs of most of the other 29 in the game, with Headley so the Padres would eat the entire contract

 

Now, do that with Ellsbury and just about everything on your roster is rosy.

 

Too bad, you didn't do this before the rule 5 player determinations.

[jacksonianmarch]

Rule V hits begin. Anyelo Gomez and Nestor Cortes selected. I have a feeling we don't see either player back. Gomez is a failed starter who converted to relief and found a new life. Kid sits 97-98 and routinely hits 100. His changeup is a 70 on the 20-80 ratings scale. He's going to stick with Atlanta. Cortes is a crafty lefty who has dominated everywhere he has gone without elite power. He will definitely make an awful Braves team

[jacksonianmarch]

Mike Ford selected. The kid is an undersized 1b who has hit the s*** out of the ball everywhere he has gone. He's older for a prospect, but has the kind of bat that a team like the Mariners could use. He will be a challenger for the 1b spot on a middling Mariners team

[jacksonianmarch]

Jose Mesa Jr to the Orioles. We will also lose him. Absolutely dominant 2017 season saw him get transitioned back to the rotation. Hard thrower with a deep arsenal, he would have been on the Yankees by now if not for 2 years of injuries. He will make the Orioles team for sure as well

[OH FOY]

I think losing Nestor Cortes, was not good. Saw him pitch really was impressed with him. Notice teams looking at all the Yankees Prospects in Rule 5 Draft. Tells a lot about a Farm.

[moonslav59]

While Cashman has done a superb job rebuilding the Yanks into a top contender while also building up the farm and getting the budget under the luxury tax limit, I feel he has to get a little ding for not being able to convert quantity into higher quality by not losing so many rule 5 prospects.

 

I know it's hard to criticize someone for gathering too much young talent, but he probably should have tried to make more 2 or 3 for 1 deals before the rule 5 list had to be submitted. He could have even traded a pre- rule 5 prospect for a prospect that did not need to be protected, even if that prospect was not as good.

 

Anyelo Gomez to ATL

Nestor Cortes to BAL

Mike Ford to SEA

Jose Mesa to BAL

[Carpin]

While Cashman has done a superb job rebuilding the Yanks into a top contender while also building up the farm and getting the budget under the luxury tax limit, I feel he has to get a little ding for not being able to convert quantity into higher quality by not losing so many rule 5 prospects.

 

I know it's hard to criticize someone for gathering too much young talent, but he probably should have tried to make more 2 or 3 for 1 deals before the rule 5 list had to be submitted. He could have even traded a pre- rule 5 prospect for a prospect that did not need to be protected, even if that prospect was not as good.

 

Anyelo Gomez to ATL

Nestor Cortes to BAL

Mike Ford to SEA

Jose Mesa to BAL

 

While I agree with your point, he did a few trades to clear roster space, if not the picture today would be something like 10 prospects lost in the draft

[Carpin]

ESPN's Keith Law says he believes the Tigers would ask for two of Gleyber Torres, Miguel Andujar, Justus Sheffield and Estevan Florial - plus two lower-level guys - from the #Yankees for Michael Fulmer.

 

For that type of package, they should get a game changer SP (like Chris Sale) with enough cheap years of team control

[bkzwhitestrican]

I think we lose Gomez for good. Everyone else likely comes back by end of Spring Training. Cortes is Vidal Nuno 2.0, Ford is a Billy Beane kinda guy who walks a ton but doesn't do any one thing particularly impressive, and Mesa is an oft injured prospect with some potential. Maybe Mesa doesn't return.. but not really any great losses here.

[moonslav59]

While I agree with your point, he did a few trades to clear roster space, if not the picture today would be something like 10 prospects lost in the draft

 

Yes, he did a lot to save roster space for several of his better prospects, and maybe the ones he lost today were not good enough to warrant other moves.

[Carpin]

Yes, he did a lot to save roster space for several of his better prospects, and maybe the ones he lost today were not good enough to warrant other moves.

 

Probably, I just don't see Cashman missing in something like this

[moonslav59]

Probably, I just don't see Cashman missing in something like this

 

Well, to me, Ellsbury is a complete waste of a roster spot, so there's one more prospect you could have kept.

 

He'll probably be traded with cash anyways: why not do it before rule 5?

[BudLight]

Well, to me, Ellsbury is a complete waste of a roster spot, so there's one more prospect you could have kept.

 

He'll probably be traded with cash anyways: why not do it before rule 5?

 

Ellsbury is a complete waste of a roster spot, I don't believe anyone would argue that fact especially with Hicks and even C Frazier on the 40 man now and Florial in the wings. The problem with Ellsbury is his skills have diminished to the point that he is now number 5 (at best) on the Yankees outfield chart. He's owed a shitload of money and the only way to get rid of him is to pay a major portion of his salary, throw in a decent prospect and most importantly get him to waive his no-trade clause. He may be comfortable with 100 plate appearances per year for the remainder of his contract.

[jacksonianmarch]

We lost some good prospects today, but just to give you an understanding of the depth of our system, none of the lost prospects were in our top 40

[moonslav59]

Ellsbury is a complete waste of a roster spot, I don't believe anyone would argue that fact especially with Hicks and even C Frazier on the 40 man now and Florial in the wings. The problem with Ellsbury is his skills have diminished to the point that he is now number 5 (at best) on the Yankees outfield chart. He's owed a shitload of money and the only way to get rid of him is to pay a major portion of his salary, throw in a decent prospect and most importantly get him to waive his no-trade clause. He may be comfortable with 100 plate appearances per year for the remainder of his contract.

 

Tell him he will get less than 100 PAs next season, and he will beg to be traded.

 

Pay almost all his contract and many teams would take him.

[moonslav59]

We lost some good prospects today, but just to give you an understanding of the depth of our system, none of the lost prospects were in our top 40

 

Yes, but they were good enough to have a good chance at someone else's 25 man roster. They wouldn't have been taken otherwise.

 

I know the theory is not always easy to make reality, but maybe Cashman could have traded some young players on the 40 man roster or prospects needing rule 5 protection for players not needing protection or 3 for 1 type deals.

[BudLight]

Tell him he will get less than 100 PAs next season, and he will beg to be traded.

 

Pay almost all his contract and many teams would take him.

 

Do you know his twitter handle

[Spudboy]

Well, to me, Ellsbury is a complete waste of a roster spot, so there's one more prospect you could have kept.

 

He'll probably be traded with cash anyways: why not do it before rule 5?

 

Maybe there is little interest in Ellsbury?

 

My guess is the Yankees would have to eat about half of his contract to find anyone to deal with.

 

Just my guess. No way he is worth his current contract in my mind.

[jacksonianmarch]

Because there isn’t a market for him now. Wait til all the outfit options sign. If Ells is moved, it’s late

[moonslav59]

Maybe Cashman thinks by waiting, he can get someone to take Ellsbury with less cash than now.

 

That's the only reason I can see for waiting and losing a prospect.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees in advanced talks to get Gerrit Cole. Sounds like a package of Frazier and one of our big league ready arms is the central focus. Cole rebounded well from an injury shortened 2016 and returned with the same stuff but an uncharacteristic bump in HR rate. If he drops that rate back to his career 0.6/9IP rate, he’ll be an ace

[dgalehouse]

Amusing to read about the Yankees " problems " . " We have too many players . And we still have money to spend. What should we do now ? " Everyone should have " problems " like that.

[Carpin]

Yankees in advanced talks to get Gerrit Cole. Sounds like a package of Frazier and one of our big league ready arms is the central focus. Cole rebounded well from an injury shortened 2016 and returned with the same stuff but an uncharacteristic bump in HR rate. If he drops that rate back to his career 0.6/9IP rate, he’ll be an ace

 

I like him, Adams + Frazier for Cole will get it done

[jacksonianmarch]

If this deal gets done, it gives us the deepest rotation in the AL.

 

1. Severino

2. Cole

3. Tanaka

4. Gray

5. Montgomery

 

Cole has lights out stuff. He was hurt in 2016 yet returned to health in 2017. His stuff was the same of ever better, but he was bitten by the HR ball, which was very uncharacteristic of him. He’s a high velocity, high strikeout, high ground ball kind of guy whose middle infield will really go a long way to helping his ERA stay down (Didi is a plus defender as is Torres). If he keeps giving up HR balls, then a transition to NY will be a bad thing, but I anticipate it was probably a blip on the radar. If there was a velocity drop, then I’d sit back and say this deal is suspect, but he experienced a slight bump from prior seasons. He could really make this rotation a 4 headed monster ahead of the 5 slot that would likely fall to the talented Montgomery.