Alan Websters' Debut

[BornToRun]

I'd love to have Stanton in the worst way. Webster looks like he has the goods to be very, very, very good though. Tough call, and an interesting trade proposition.

 

It isn't very hard to come across a power hitting outfielder. Aces, on the other hand, are much harder to get ahold of.

[a700hitter]

It isn't very hard to come across a power hitting outfielder. Aces, on the other hand, are much harder to get ahold of.

Stanton is a bona fide stud power hitter. Webster is at most a "potential" ace. I read someplace last week that after 4 or 5 innings his stuff falls off a cliff. He did give up two bombs around that time. Papelbon could go through a batting order once, maybe twice and then he would get lit up. That is the reason he went to the pen. There is no guaranteed ace status for Webster-- far from it. Stanton is already a bona fide major league star.

[BornToRun]

I understand that but a guy who can anchor a rotation is far harder to come by than a big time power hitter. Not to mention the fact that Webster alone probably wouldn't be enough to land Stanton.

[a700hitter]

I understand that but a guy who can anchor a rotation is far harder to come by than a big time power hitter. Not to mention the fact that Webster alone probably wouldn't be enough to land Stanton.

I wouldn't trade Stanton for Webster if I were the GM of the Marlins. I wouldn't trade him for Webster and Bradley either.

[BornToRun]

I'd probably say no if I were BC. It'd be a very difficult decision at the very least.

[jung]

No question that Webster alone would not land Stanton. As it is regardless of how much Stanton may complain (presuming he does complain) about his predicament, he is a cost controlled player. He becomes arb eligible next year but does not hit FA until 2017. Miami should be able to extract quite a haul from somebody getting Stanton in return.

[a700hitter]

I'd probably say no if I were BC. It'd be a very difficult decision at the very least.

I'd say yes if I were Cherington, but no if I were the Marlin GM.

[SoxSport]

I bet Stanton will get dealt soon. I doubt it will be Boston. They have stuffed their lineup so full of salary short term there is no place for him. And none of those FAs they signed are worth much in trade.

 

It makes little sense to trade their best prospect pitcher, since pitching is what they need to have any chance in the AL East. Teams live or die with their pitching in this division. Their pitching is injury prone, and they don't have enough depth to be dealing any of their top pitching prospects.

[Palodios]

Stanton is a bona fide stud power hitter. Webster is at most a "potential" ace. I read someplace last week that after 4 or 5 innings his stuff falls off a cliff. He did give up two bombs around that time. Papelbon could go through a batting order once, maybe twice and then he would get lit up. That is the reason he went to the pen. There is no guaranteed ace status for Webster-- far from it. Stanton is already a bona fide major league star.

 

What impressed me most about Webster during his start was that he only threw 84 pitches in 6 innings. That tells me that he can get deep into games as far as pitch counts go. He's still young and his pitches are being watched, so I'm not concerned about that quite yet.

[seabeachfred]

I bet Stanton will get dealt soon. I doubt it will be Boston. They have stuffed their lineup so full of salary short term there is no place for him. And none of those FAs they signed are worth much in trade.

 

It makes little sense to trade their best prospect pitcher, since pitching is what they need to have any chance in the AL East. Teams live or die with their pitching in this division. Their pitching is injury prone, and they don't have enough depth to be dealing any of their top pitching prospects.

 

According to the Bleacher Report there are six or seven teams interested in Stanton and I think he will be traded either this season or in the off season. He can bring a slew of players in return and some team will make an offer the Marlins can't refuse, especially if what has been said that Giancarlo is pretty upset with things down there.

 

I would be very hesitant to trade our pitching prospects---Webster, Renaudo, Barnes and Owens----ok, even DeLaRosa. The latter might actually be good as a short inning reliever. If we were go along with such a trade we had better be sure that somehow luck is with us and the three we don't trade work out for us.

[seabeachfred]

What impressed me most about Webster during his start was that he only threw 84 pitches in 6 innings. That tells me that he can get deep into games as far as pitch counts go. He's still young and his pitches are being watched, so I'm not concerned about that quite yet.

 

What impresses me about Webster is that he is not Aceves. Did you see that guy in action last night? As soon as things got touch he unraveled, forgot to cover first base, committed two balks and started throwing meatballs to the plate. He f***ing quit on the team last night. If Lackey can't go this Sunday I would like to see Webster brought up to start that game. He seems to have a good upside and except for two misplaced pitches he did very well on Sunday. And he didn't quit on himself and the team.

[Palodios]

According to the Bleacher Report ...

 

FYI, bleacher report is NEVER a reliable place to cite-- it is as reputable as Wikipedia. Guys like Olney/Gammons have said similar things, might make sense to quote them instead.

[seabeachfred]

FYI, bleacher report is NEVER a reliable place to cite-- it is as reputable as Wikipedia. Guys like Olney/Gammons have said similar things, might make sense to quote them instead.

 

Thanks for the update. I read BR every day. Perhaps I should take the things I hear there with a grain of salt. I do believe, though, that Stanton's days with the Marlins are short.

[MANNYHOF24]

What I think benefitted Webster was his use of the FB-changeup combo. They both look not only similar to the hitters, but they look nearly the same to the viewer until you look at the mph. He had a bright future. I also think the ST guns are a little pumped up since he was really sitting 93-94 per the Fenway gun.

 

I was at the game he was 94-96 topping out at 98.

[Palodios]

What impresses me about Webster is that he is not Aceves.

 

Sig-worthy:lol:

[VA Sox Fan]

I was at the game he was 94-96 topping out at 98.

 

Nice. No need to listen to jacko...

[Orange Juiced]

Stanton is a bona fide stud power hitter. Webster is at most a "potential" ace. I read someplace last week that after 4 or 5 innings his stuff falls off a cliff. He did give up two bombs around that time. Papelbon could go through a batting order once, maybe twice and then he would get lit up. That is the reason he went to the pen. There is no guaranteed ace status for Webster-- far from it. Stanton is already a bona fide major league star.

 

Agreed 100%. I'd rather have Kershaw than Justin Upton, because I think BTR's reasoning is, in general, correct. But Webster has one major league start under his belt - one in which he was really good and showed a lot of promise, but one that also was not dominant. He did give up 3 runs in 6 innings, after all.

 

Stanton is everything you said but more, because he is cost-controlled for a while still. He's a stud power hitter that probably could top 50 hr a year playing half his games in Fenway. But he is costing the Marlins just over $500k this year, and cannot become a free agent until 2017.

 

I'd give an AWFUL lot for him. And I'm pretty enamored with Webster.

[SoxSport]

I recall early on in pre-season I said the Red Sox should try to get Stanton for whatever it takes. But to be honest, I don't know if Stanton would make as much of a difference as a couple of stud starters like Webster and somebody else out of their farm system. Teams win these days on good role players and strong pitching--without much regard to payroll. The Red Sox key is to work hard to constantly upgrade the pitching. The Angels have a lineup full of stars, but their pitching is mediocre, which accounts for their current mediocre standing.

[reYoukilis]

I recall early on in pre-season I said the Red Sox should try to get Stanton for whatever it takes. But to be honest, I don't know if Stanton would make as much of a difference as a couple of stud starters like Webster and somebody else out of their farm system. Teams win these days on good role players and strong pitching--without much regard to payroll. The Red Sox key is to work hard to constantly upgrade the pitching. The Angels have a lineup full of stars, but their pitching is mediocre, which accounts for their current mediocre standing.

 

That and the change in coaching and philosophy. Obviously it makes a difference too since only Dempster is new to the rotation.