Mariners-Hamilton Talks

[Emmz]

Josh is very open about his addictions and has a solid accountability system, which is why there is concern over the media in Boston. I am not all that worried. It is really naive to think there are not lots of other mlb players or red sox players hooked on dope, pills, alcohol and peds. And it is not like he was using last week, he has a solid track record of being clean. Seems to me Josh has done well witth success. I see no direct link to media pressure, baseball success or pressure and his past abuse of drugs. If anything, the opposite.

 

So you think there are successful baseball players who are addicted to heroine, cocaine and alcohol? You obviously don't know much about those drugs, and are just being pretentious.

 

How do you suggest he became addicted to opiates if it wasn't due to stress?

[NativeBostonian]

So you think there are successful baseball players who are addicted to heroine, cocaine and alcohol? You obviously don't know much about those drugs, and are just being pretentious.

 

How do you suggest he became addicted to opiates if it wasn't due to stress?

After reading Josh's book, I agree stress could have played a role in Josh picking up drugs. When the Tampa Bay rays basically sent a very young josh parents away he didn't know what to do with himself. That could've been very stressful.

[wyo-sox]

So you think there are successful baseball players who are addicted to heroine, cocaine and alcohol? You obviously don't know much about those drugs, and are just being pretentious.

 

How do you suggest he became addicted to opiates if it wasn't due to stress?

 

Sure there are successful ballplayers hooked on alcohol and cocaine, not sure why that belief would make me pretentious. As far as me knowing much about about drugs, people and addictions, I'm not going to get into an internet contest over who has more personal experience with different drugs or addicts. I will simply respect your opinion even if I disagree.

 

To your question on Josh..... I wont suggest how he became addicted to opiates. While stress was likely a factor, we both know the answeres as to why someone becomes addicted to something or even starts are more complex than a single factor like stress. Personal history, taught values, peer pressure, psychological make up, temporary circumstances etc..... are but a few things that could allow stress to trigger an addiction.

 

Has Josh used opiates every time in the last few years when he was stressed? No, so there must be other factors in play he has addressed that have helped him deal with some of lifes stresses. I wont be pretentious and pretend to know what they are. I bet the Rangers do, and they are willing to pay him.

[SoxSport]

Texas is down to Hamilton and Upton. Or maybe a starter other than Greinke--if Ryan likes any of them.

if I were Ryan, I would just re-sign Hamilton and walk away. Tower has been dangling Upton for several years now. His act is tired.

[Lucienbel]

Texas is down to Hamilton and Upton. Or maybe a starter other than Greinke--if Ryan likes any of them.

if I were Ryan, I would just re-sign Hamilton and walk away. Tower has been dangling Upton for several years now. His act is tired.

 

It is getting really old. It's like they keep putting Upton out there seeing how much they can milk him for, and then pull him back when it's "not enough" or whatever. Kind of seems like there won't ever be enough. With Greinke off the market, I'd sign Hamilton and forget about Upton too.

[example1]

The Red Sox should forget about Hamilton and go for Upton, IMO.

[BSN07]

The Red Sox should forget about Hamilton and go for Upton, IMO.

 

This was my ubber spectacular multi team deal I dreamed up this morning,

 

 

Hmmm my creative juices are flowing(this proposal is for fun)

 

Red Sox get Upton and Bauer

 

Seattle gets Ellsbury and Masterson + lower prospect

 

AZ gets Asdrubel, Smoak and 1 SP prospect(From Red Sox, Barnes/Webster/Workman)+ Brentz

 

Cleveland gets Hultzen from Seattle, Cecchini and Kalish from Sox and Wade Davis(lower Rays SP)

 

TB gets Choo + 1 mid tier prospect from Cleveland(Maybe even Perez for the BP)

[example1]

This was my ubber spectacular multi team deal I dreamed up this morning,

 

Yes, I saw your ubber spectacular deal. I don't think Tb would want to help the Sox get a bunch of good pieces, but otherwise it was very creative.

[BSN07]

Yes, I saw your ubber spectacular deal. I don't think Tb would want to help the Sox get a bunch of good pieces, but otherwise it was very creative.

 

But they aintz gotz to know aboutz it!! lol

[BSN07]

AZ wants a SS, so the Sox are going to have to get some other team involved of they want Upton and/or Bauer.

[SoxFanForsyth]

AZ wants a SS, so the Sox are going to have to get some other team involved of they want Upton and/or Bauer.

 

I think they can get Bauer for a non SS. I would really like to see them move on him, but we will see.

 

The good thing about Farrell is that he gives an intimidating presence, as described by Lester and Buch.

 

That may be the exact presence that Bauer needs to reach his potential.

[Lucienbel]

I think they can get Bauer for a non SS. I would really like to see them move on him, but we will see.

 

The good thing about Farrell is that he gives an intimidating presence, as described by Lester and Buch.

 

That may be the exact presence that Bauer needs to reach his potential.

 

That would be pretty cool. Bauer seems like he has a lot of upside, but he's a totally into doing what he wants to do. The thought that maybe someone could whip him into shape would be nice. I don't really know what Arizona would take for him though.....are they having enough problems with him where they just sort of want to get rid of him? I mean, obviously for the right price, but yeah.

[a700hitter]

I think they can get Bauer for a non SS. I would really like to see them move on him, but we will see.

 

The good thing about Farrell is that he gives an intimidating presence, as described by Lester and Buch.

 

That may be the exact presence that Bauer needs to reach his potential.

What do you think it would take to get Bauer?

[SoxSport]

Trade Rumors just posted KC got Shields and Wade Davis from TB for Myers plus other prospects.

[Spitball]

Sure there are successful ballplayers hooked on alcohol and cocaine, not sure why that belief would make me pretentious. As far as me knowing much about about drugs, people and addictions, I'm not going to get into an internet contest over who has more personal experience with different drugs or addicts. I will simply respect your opinion even if I disagree.

 

To your question on Josh..... I wont suggest how he became addicted to opiates. While stress was likely a factor, we both know the answeres as to why someone becomes addicted to something or even starts are more complex than a single factor like stress. Personal history, taught values, peer pressure, psychological make up, temporary circumstances etc..... are but a few things that could allow stress to trigger an addiction.

 

Has Josh used opiates every time in the last few years when he was stressed? No, so there must be other factors in play he has addressed that have helped him deal with some of lifes stresses. I wont be pretentious and pretend to know what they are. I bet the Rangers do, and they are willing to pay him.

 

I agree. No one knows exactly what causes addiction. There are many causes in the addictive process, but no one has the definitive answer. There are several common risk factors...and stress can't be specifically pinpointed as one of the main factors.

 

There are so many reason and factors involved in individual addictions. Some people have biological, genetic, invironmental, or other reasons to become addicted. In Hamilton's case, I believe he hung out in a tatoo parlor where drugs were easily available. He became a user as part of his social behavior. He became addicted for reasons that are impossible to diagnose without more information. Certainly, there is no one on this board close enough to his case to make a definitive diagnosis.

[example1]

Trade Rumors just posted KC got Shields and Wade Davis from TB for Myers plus other prospects.

 

Damn, that's quite a haul from TB. That sucks. Another offensive piece for Tampa Bay. Hope their pitching runs dry.

[Station 13]

Damn, that's quite a haul from TB. That sucks. Another offensive piece for Tampa Bay. Hope their pitching runs dry.

 

They will keep Price at least 1 more year and trade him for a boat load.

[Spitball]

Damn, that's quite a haul from TB. That sucks. Another offensive piece for Tampa Bay. Hope their pitching runs dry.

 

The Royals really received a haul, but Mike Montgomery was once one of KC's top pitching prospects.

[MNSoxChief102]

Trade Rumors just posted KC got Shields and Wade Davis from TB for Myers plus other prospects.

 

Rays get Myers, Odorizzi, Montgomery, and Leonard back for Shields and Davis

 

Friedman strikes again.

[example1]

I really hope that this deal means that TB is no longer interested in being involved in the AZ-CLE-TX-TB deal that was rumored. C'mon Sox, jump in, go for Upton or Bauer and add something for the future here.

[Palodios]

The Royals really received a haul, but Mike Montgomery was once one of KC's top pitching prospects.

 

Baseball America ranked three of those players as the #23, #28 and #68 prospects of 2012. Tampa Bay's farm system is staaaaaaaaacked.

[Spitball]

Baseball America ranked three of those players as the #23, #28 and #68 prospects of 2012. Tampa Bay's farm system is staaaaaaaaacked.

 

They keep turning developing (and becoming expensive) talent over for inexpensive and younger talent. They have out-moneyballed Oakland in my opinion.

[example1]

They keep turning developing (and becoming expensive) talent over for inexpensive and younger talent. They have out-moneyballed Oakland in my opinion.

 

They would have traded Ellsbury prior to last season.

[Spitball]

They would have traded Ellsbury prior to last season.

 

Right. The Red Sox should have capitlalized on his career year, also.

[DocHolliday]

They would have traded Ellsbury prior to last season.

 

If BJ Upton ever had a breakout year like Ells did in 2011, I'm sure they would have traded him then too. With their small market model, they can't afford to take on any additional risk and are forced to avoid the costly FA and arbitration eligible players outside of 1 or 2 core players.

 

Still, in agreement that the Sox should have traded Ells last offseason - knowing he wasn't going to be a part of the LT plans. Sure, there would have been some backlash among the fans and media initially, but did they seriously expect that Ellsbury's value could have gotten higher than it was at the end of last season?

 

Now, we have to hope that they can salvage something for Ellsbury - whether its part of a trade this offseason or sometime during 2013 that brings back a future rotation mainstay or a compensation draft pick in 2014 for losing him to FA.