Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Thread

[a700hitter]

Cano should be able to get $25 million a year for 5 or 6 years.

[Bellhorn04]

Cano should be able to get $25 million a year for 5 or 6 years.

 

Easy. $25 * 5 = Hamilton money...with a drug dependency discount on the years.

[Palodios]

Easy. $25 * 5 = Hamilton money...with a drug dependency discount on the years.

 

And in a non crucial defensive position.

 

MLB Trade rumors had a blurb about Cano the other day. He wants a top 5 contract. The Yankees want to give him a top 20 contract. I would not be surprised if it took 200 mill to sign him.

[a700hitter]

The only thing standing in Cano's way to a contract in excess of Josh Hamilton would be if he got suspended for PEDs. Other than that or injury, he wil get at least $150 million.

[Dom]

Cano won't sign for anything less than $150 million, which would break down to something like 6 years/$25 million. He's not going to give the Yankees a discount just because they already have players signed to bad contracts.

[Divinity]

The way I see it is they'll let Granderson go and keep Cano. They'll also have nearly a 100 mill freed up next winter.

 

Because of the way the Yankees have conducted their business this past winter, they’ll have a ton of money coming off their current $207.7 million payroll. In addition to Cano’s $15 million, Granderson ($15 million), Hiroki Kuroda ($15 million), Andy Pettitte ($12 million), Kevin Youkilis ($12 million), Rivera ($10 million), Phil Hughes ($7.15 million), Boone Logan ($3.15 million), Travis Hafner ($2 million) and Joba Chamberlain ($2 million) are all eligible for free agency, and not all will be retained, giving Cashman considerable flexibility.

 

Considering further that Rodriguez’s salary drops by $3 million, and that Jeter’s will probably as well — currently earning $17 million, he has an $8 million player option that could increase slightly if he wins an award or places high in the voting — that’s almost $100 million freed up. Next winter’s free agent market isn’t much to write home about, either. Virtually all of the big-name free agents — pitchers Roy Halladay, Johan Santana and Josh Johnson, catcher Brian McCann and outfielders Jacoby Ellsbury and Nelson Cruz — have causes for concern due to age or recent injuries.

 

The lack of solutions available to buy off the rack increases New York’s incentive to keep Cano, if not Granderson, whom the Yankees can more easily replace in the long run given that most of their top position player prospects are outfielders; flychasers Mason Williams, Slade Heathcott and Tyler Austin all cracked Baseball America‘s latest Top 100 Prospects list, while catcher Gary Sanchez was the team’s only other farmhand to do so. Even then, all three outfielders spent part of last year at High-A Tampa, with Austin’s two games at Double-A Trenton the only experience above that, suggesting that none are likely to contribute significantly until 2015 barring rapid development this year. That the homegrown Cano is more central to the brand than any of their current players beyond Jeter and Rivera, both of whom are nearing the end of their careers, and the now-toxic Rodriguez only increases the likelihood of them retaining him.

 

In the end, the expectation here is that Cano will reach free agency, but that the Yankees will retain him with a contract that grants him some level of status among the game’s highest-paid players. That’s how they do business in the Bronx, whether or not the rules have changed.

 

http://mlb.si.com/2013/02/21/robinson-cano-yankees-free-agent/

[BSN07]

I'm all for the Yanks handing out another 180M to a player in their 30's.

[Divinity]

I'm all for the Yanks handing out another 180M to a player in their 30's.

 

It’s not as though he’s on the decline. Last year he set career highs in WAR, homers (33) and slugging percentage (.550) and his on-base percentage (.379) was just two points off his career high. His .318 True Average — his production per plate appearance, expressed on a batting average scale after adjusting for park and league scoring levels — also set a personal best while ranking 10th among all major league hitters and third among up-the-middle players (catchers, second basemen, shortstops and centerfielders) behind only Mike Trout (.357) and Buster Posey (.350).

[Dom]

That's irrelevant. A-Rod wasn't in decline when he re-signed with the Yankees at age 31 either. It's ages 33+ that would make the contract an issue. And if Cano makes it to free agency it's almost a guarantee that he'll get six or more years.

[Bellhorn04]

Losing 3/5 of the rotation, Kuroda, Pettitte and Hughes, wouldn't seem to me like much of a plus for the Yankees. 'Flexibility' can be overrated.

[Divinity]

I'd be fine with a six year deal to be honest, 37 at the end of the contract isn't too horrible.

[Dom]

Chances are he'll be in decline for most of his next deal. It's pretty much a guarantee that he'll get at least six years but chances are he'll get more. It won't be the fiscally responsible thing to do, but I'm not sure what he alternative is for the Yankees if they don't re-sign him.

[Dom]

Cano's reportedly asking for a 10 year deal worth more than $200 million and his agent is Scott Boras. Pretty safe to say he'll become a free agent.

[BSN07]

I'd be fine with a six year deal to be honest, 37 at the end of the contract isn't too horrible.

 

I bet you would. Problem is that's not likely to be enough. Boras gets or gets close to what he wants with "elite" players. Which Cano is. 6 years is not likely to get it done. There is no incentive for him to take that short of a deal.

[Dom]

Olney had this to say:

 

"Cano's payoff is likely to be in line with the deals recently signed by Albert Pujols ($240 million for 10 years), Joey Votto ($225 million for 10 years) and Felix Hernandez, who recently signed a seven-year, $175 million contract extension with the Seattle Mariners to become the highest-paid pitcher in baseball history."

 

If the Yankees aren't willing to sign him to such a reckless deal, the Dodgers don't have an all-star at second base yet and Cano is named after a certain former Dodger.

[Palodios]

For all the claims that Cano has been the best 2B in baseball, its about time they payed him that way.

[Dom]

Isn't that what the Yankees refer to as "respect"?

[Dom]

Price wouldn't sign with Yankees.

 

Once he hits free agency, he doesn’t intend to sign with an organization that burdens its players with rules. For example, if the Yankees traded for him, he wouldn’t stay there very long. “I wouldn’t sign a long-term deal there,” he told Morosi. “Those rules, that’s old-school baseball."

[Palodios]

Price wouldn't sign with Yankees.

 

That's an old quote-- he reconsidered it quickly after his agent talked him out of it.

[Dom]

That's an old quote-- he reconsidered it quickly after his agent talked him out of it.

 

He said it in a story two days ago. This web site won't let me post the link.

[Divinity]

I think a700 is spot on with him getting 6 years / 25 mil per.

[BSN07]

I think a700 is spot on with him getting 6 years / 25 mil per.

 

And that should tell you it has no chance in happening. 6/150M is a team friendly deal. It's not happening. I'm guessing he gets 7/175M at minimum.

[a700hitter]

And that should tell you it has no chance in happening. 6/150M is a team friendly deal. It's not happening. I'm guessing he gets 7/175M at minimum.

He has me on ignore but potshots me like a coward. BTW, I said that he would get at a minimum a 6yr/$150 million deal barring injury or a steroid ban.

[Dom]

6 years/$150 is the bare minimum he'll get, 10 years/over $200 million is what he's asking for. What he'll actually get is probably closer to 8 years/$200 million.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Cano has a shot at the Tex contract if he agrees to renegotiate now. I think being contracted through his age 37 season is all he's going to get. 10 yrs is no longer a feasible request.

[Palodios]

I think Cano has a shot at the Tex contract if he agrees to renegotiate now. I think being contracted through his age 37 season is all he's going to get. 10 yrs is no longer a feasible request.

 

Over the last 4 seasons--

 

Hamilton -- .305 .360 .555 .915

R. Cano --- .314 .365 .534 .899

 

Similar age entering free agency. One player is significantly more valuable defensively, and doesn't have drug issues. I think its a no-brainer.

[BSN07]

Over the last 4 seasons--

 

Hamilton -- .305 .360 .555 .915

R. Cano --- .314 .365 .534 .899

 

Similar age entering free agency. One player is significantly more valuable defensively, and doesn't have drug issues. I think its a no-brainer.

 

He's getting at least 7. Almost every contract in the top 15 of MLB is 7+ years. He's going to get that. If he signed for less it might be the deal of the century and I don't see Boras letting that happen on his watch.

 

I honestly don't know why some think he will sign early when he knows he can go test the market and still be able to call the Yanks and get a Tex type deal if he doesn't like the market.

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah I would guess Cano ultimately gets 7 years and 175 million.

[Dom]

10 years may not be a feasible request for the Yankees any longer, but there are other teams who are benefiting greatly from increased revenue and have money burning a hole in their pockets. The Yankees are no longer the least responsible team when it comes to giving out contracts. It could very well take 10 years to win a bidding contest between the Yankees, Dodgers and Nationals.

[BSN07]

10 years may not be a feasible request for the Yankees any longer, but there are other teams who are benefiting greatly from increased revenue and have money burning a hole in their pockets. The Yankees are no longer the least responsible team when it comes to giving out contracts. It could very well take 10 years to win a bidding contest between the Yankees, Dodgers and Nationals.

 

I honestly expect Cano to be a Dodger next season. I've been saying it for a long time now and nothing has made me want to shift from that. The only way I don't see LAD throw the bank at him is if they win a WS this season. Then they may be less inclined to bring in another star.