Red Sox Offseason Ideas

[Station 13]

So they were willing to ship Bailey out for Farrell, what a f***ing fail this Reddick trade was.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Random thing happened today.

 

Kalish tweeted out that he was going to head to the Common to toss the frisbee a bit, wanted some people to show up to toss.

 

So, I showed up, threw the frisbee with him for about 2 hours. Really, really nice guy. Pretty cool afternoon!

 

I saw your twitter since Kalish retweeted you haha. That was really cool, I bet you're living the life up there in Boston huh? Must be awesome to be able to move up there and watch your favorite team. I plan on moving to Boston in the future as well to do my dream of being a police officer, crazy how much a team has influenced me to do so much.

[The Village Idiot]

I met Kalish at the Pedro event at Jillian's last January. Poor guy was seated at the same booth as Bobby V.; it was just RK and BV at the table. Valentine was really grumpy. He barely looked at me and my friend even though we were, quite literally, the only attractive women to pass through the autographs line pretty much the entire late morning and early aftenoon. Kalish was really friendly though, a very cool guy. He had nothing to say to Valentine, and Valentine had nothing to say to him either, it appeared. I was skeptical of the entire Valentine hire from the get-go, but that event sealed it for me. There was absolutely nothing endearing/charming/warm/charismatic about the guy, and it was an expensive Jimmy Fund event honoring Pedro f***ing Martinez. I knew we were doomed from that moment on. Even Pedro seemed pissed that morning, but I think that was because his wife wouldn't give him a minute's peace or an inch of leeway interacting with the fans...at least that's what I'm going to tell myself because the reality of Pedro, for me, didn't live up to the legend. That's OK though.

[rjortiz]

The more I think about it, the more I really hope the Sox go after Mark Trumbo for 1B. He's a 40+ HR guy at Fenway.

 

He's only got a career .780 OPS, and in his career year last year, he had a .808 OPS, so he's not going to cost a ton to acquire. Maybe Garin Cecchini + Jacoby Ellsbury would get a deal close, perhaps adding a guy like Alex Wilson or Drake Britton and receiving a lower ranked prospect along with Trumbo.

 

Right now, the Angels have Morales, Pujols, and Trumbo. All three are 1B (although Trumbo did attempt to play LF during the year), but going forward they would have the ability to really upgrade their LF with Ellsbury (in terms of overall production, not just HR, and defense included).

 

I hope Cherrington looks into that deal, because it would make a lot of sense for the Red Sox.

 

Terrible trade.

[a700hitter]

The more I think about it, the more I really hope the Sox go after Mark Trumbo for 1B. He's a 40+ HR guy at Fenway.

 

He's only got a career .780 OPS, and in his career year last year, he had a .808 OPS, so he's not going to cost a ton to acquire. Maybe Garin Cecchini + Jacoby Ellsbury would get a deal close, perhaps adding a guy like Alex Wilson or Drake Britton and receiving a lower ranked prospect along with Trumbo.

 

Right now, the Angels have Morales, Pujols, and Trumbo. All three are 1B (although Trumbo did attempt to play LF during the year), but going forward they would have the ability to really upgrade their LF with Ellsbury (in terms of overall production, not just HR, and defense included).

 

I hope Cherrington looks into that deal, because it would make a lot of sense for the Red Sox.

With the Angels glut at 1B and the OF, I don't think Trumbo should be so expensive, but I think the Angels would be looking to get pitching. We really don't have much in that department.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Terrible trade.

 

Yes.

 

Trading 1 year of Ellsbury plus Garin Cecchini for a perennial 35+ HR guy at Fenway who is young and under club control until 2017 would be awful.

 

[Station 13]

Trumbo is a 2WAR player, who has the making to become a HR or nothing type of guy down the road. Meh. You want him while in his prime and discard him quickly after. not all that high on Trumbo.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Trumbo is a 2WAR player, who has the making to become a HR or nothing type of guy down the road. Meh. You want him while in his prime and discard him quickly after. not all that high on Trumbo.

 

IMO, he's a guy who is still learning plate discipline, and will improve on his BB numbers going forward.

 

He's just an idea, and I very well may be wrong on him, but giving up 1 year of Ells and Cecchini for 4 years of 30+ HR first baseman wouldn't be a bad trade.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Let me just put it this way.

 

There are a lot of very intriguing, young first basemen out there that I would be interested in.

 

Michael Morse (though he is 30), Mark Trumbo, Brandon Belt, Justin Smoak. I would be interested in all of those, obviously depending on the price. If you can buy low on Smoak, I'd take him off the Mariners hands in an instant and see if he could be a nice change of scenery guy.

[Station 13]

IMO, he's a guy who is still learning plate discipline, and will improve on his BB numbers going forward.

 

He's just an idea, and I very well may be wrong on him, but giving up 1 year of Ells and Cecchini for 4 years of 30+ HR first baseman wouldn't be a bad trade.

 

Nope, he just a 30HR with a low BA and low OBP. His contact rate is only 73.8%, something you just can't overlook going forward. That's lower than Granderson's career contact rate.

[kapsis21]

Nope, he just a 30HR with a low BA and low OBP. His contact rate is only 73.8%, something you just can't overlook going forward. That's lower than Granderson's career contact rate.

 

so if he strikes out little more but hits a decent amount of bombs, that means he needs little more plate discipline. plus he might have an advantage in Fenway.

his average is slightly better than Grandenson.260 vs .230 and his 144 games played vs Granderson's 160 but yet Trumbo has more hits than him 146 vs Grandy 138

their slug and OBP are identical for 2012

 

i know you werent comparing them but just putting the other facts out there.

[rjortiz]

IMO, he's a guy who is still learning plate discipline, and will improve on his BB numbers going forward.

 

He's just an idea, and I very well may be wrong on him, but giving up 1 year of Ells and Cecchini for 4 years of 30+ HR first baseman wouldn't be a bad trade.

 

He's 26, and his career OBP numbers in the minors suggest otherwise. Plus, he had an absurdly awful second half.

 

I'd rather see them work out a trade for a young pitcher.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Che-Hsuan Lin was claimed by the Astros.

 

Dojji is officially on suicide watch.

[redsoxfan3]

Che-Hsuan Lin was claimed by the Astros.

 

Dojji is officially on suicide watch.

 

Jeremy Lin already went to the Rockets, now Che-Hsuan Lin is going to the Astros. Linsanity is officially hitting Houston. I wonder if this could be some sort of small PR move.

[Behindenemylines]

Angels aren't trading Trumbo so you can let that go. If Trout wasn't an Angel it would be Trumbo the young Angel HR hitter they would be talking about. I just can't see the Angels moving him.

[rjortiz]

Angels aren't trading Trumbo so you can let that go. If Trout wasn't an Angel it would be Trumbo the young Angel HR hitter they would be talking about. I just can't see the Angels moving him.

 

Except that Trout had Trumbo beat in WAR by 8.0, and by more than .100 in OPS. Trumbo sucks.

 

Oh, wait. Trumbo $ucks.

[SCM33]

SFF.....

 

That was pretty cool of Kalish to do that.

 

However, I know you are also very high on Iglesias. If they start Iglesias, Kalish and Salty remains the catcher.....we are screwed offensively.

 

Trumbo is a nice thought, but he is yet another player with limited on base skills (for the most part in the minors as well). We can't have a lineup full of guys who can't get on base.

 

The Redsox "run prevention" model already failed them once. The "dynamic speed" model failed them too. Time to go back to the moneyball scheme. Just get on base.

[Behindenemylines]

I agree you can't score runs if you aren't getting on base. OBP took us a long way in 2004 and 2007. Plus we had higher walks, thus we ran up the pitch count on the enemy pitchers forcing to use their bullpens more.

[SCM33]

Couple Ideas:

Trade Ellsbury for starting pitching. Throw in Iglesias.

Sign Michael Bourn.

Sign Mike Napoli.

Sign Alex Gonzalez (you want a wizard glove? Agon can still field it, and hit circles around Iglesias).

Sign Nick Swisher, MoneyBall type player, big market personality.

 

Let David Ortiz walk.

 

Sign Travis Hafner when he is bought out. Platoon him with Ross at DH. Also Platoon Ross in RF with Swisher. Swisher was pretty even RH/LF, give him some AB's at 1B and LF as well. Napoli also gives them flexibility between C and 1B.

 

Sign Kevin Youkilis. Give him at bats between 1B/3B and DH along with Hafner/Swisher and Ross.

 

These additions/subtractions allow them to be a little bit more flexible, as they would have many interchangeable parts.

 

Kick the tires on Kyle Lohse and Anibal Sanchez for SP. Kick the tires on Jonathan Broxton, Brandon League, Mike Adams and JP Howell.

[rjortiz]

Couple Ideas:

Trade Ellsbury for starting pitching. Throw in Iglesias.

Sign Michael Bourn.

Sign Mike Napoli.

Sign Alex Gonzalez (you want a wizard glove? Agon can still field it, and hit circles around Iglesias).

Sign Nick Swisher, MoneyBall type player, big market personality.

 

Let David Ortiz walk.

 

Sign Travis Hafner when he is bought out. Platoon him with Ross at DH. Also Platoon Ross in RF with Swisher. Swisher was pretty even RH/LF, give him some AB's at 1B and LF as well. Napoli also gives them flexibility between C and 1B.

 

Sign Kevin Youkilis. Give him at bats between 1B/3B and DH along with Hafner/Swisher and Ross.

 

These additions/subtractions allow them to be a little bit more flexible, as they would have many interchangeable parts.

 

Kick the tires on Kyle Lohse and Anibal Sanchez for SP. Kick the tires on Jonathan Broxton, Brandon League, Mike Adams and JP Howell.

 

All terrible ideas.

[SCM33]

All terrible ideas.

 

Well, except replacing Ellsbury with Angel Pagan (a minimal move), all you have done in this thread is bash other peoples ideas.

 

If you have any yourself, then post them.....other than that, shut up.

 

All the moves I suggested would improve their OB/OPS numbers minus Alex Gonzalez.

 

Is that your thing? You bash everyone else without providing any of your own insight?

[mvp 78]

Not sold on Broxton, Lohse, or the return of Youk. I can't stand Swisher and think Ortiz would be better than a platoon of Ross/Haffner. I still think it'd be better to start a youth movement and lose for a couple years than pick up older stop gaps.

[Palodios]

Sign Alex Gonzalez (you want a wizard glove? Agon can still field it, and hit circles around Iglesias).

 

 

I'm not sure if this is a legit idea, or a mocking of the defensive minded posters here, but I really like the idea. He gives pretty much the same level of production offensively as Aviles, and is very good defensively. I am concerned with a thirty-five year old shortstop coming off season-ending knee surgery, but he could be a stop-gap for Iggy/Bogaertz.

[Station 13]

Add a SP. Anibal Sanchez 4/55-60M (doesn't cost a draft pick.)

 

Sign Napoli. 2/16M (probably won't cost a pick either. Texas need to offer him 13.3M and he probably accept.)

 

Re-sign Ross 2/15M

 

Re-sign Ortiz 2/20M (or offer him a qualifying offer. No team will lose a draft pick and give him multi-year)

 

Sign Torii Hunter 2/18M

 

I was thinking in the line of Swisher 4/50M, but he took a dump in the playoff. Poor defense and can't hit. And a bit too long in years.

 

 

C: Lavarnway

1B: Napoli

2B: Pedroia

3B: Middlebrooks

SS: Ciriaco

LF: Ross

CF: Ellsbury

RF: Hunter

DH: Ortiz

 

Lester

Sanchez

Buchholz

Doubront

Lackey

 

Bailey

Tazawa

Breslow

Atchison

Bard

Miller

Morales (swing man)

 

With short terms contracts like above, it's easier to deal them at the deadline. They won't block Brentz, Bradley and Barnes, etc.

[rjortiz]

Well, except replacing Ellsbury with Angel Pagan (a minimal move), all you have done in this thread is bash other peoples ideas.

 

If you have any yourself, then post them.....other than that, shut up.

 

All the moves I suggested would improve their OB/OPS numbers minus Alex Gonzalez.

 

Is that your thing? You bash everyone else without providing any of your own insight?

 

Why would you want to add a bunch of old players on big contracts for a team that needs to rebuild?

[SCM33]

I'm not sure if this is a legit idea, or a mocking of the defensive minded posters here, but I really like the idea. He gives pretty much the same level of production offensively as Aviles, and is very good defensively. I am concerned with a thirty-five year old shortstop coming off season-ending knee surgery, but he could be a stop-gap for Iggy/Bogaertz.

 

I wasn't kidding. I hated when he left. Some guys around here love Iglesias, but ignore the fact he can't hit his weight. Gonzalez can glove it and hit a little. He will be very short money.

 

Why would you want to add a bunch of old players on big contracts for a team that needs to rebuild?

 

Who would require a big contract?

I said trade Ellsbury, which will save us from a Scott Boras albatross.

Trade for Bourn.

Sign Mike Napoli, but let Ortiz go....so the funds will be relocated to Napoli.

Signing Gonzalez will be peanuts.

Swisher is a mid level guy, hes not getting big money.

Hafner is also a mid level guy, you could probably get him cheap as well.

Signing Youkilis is not going to happen, but it was just a thought.

 

Im not suggesting any one player in specific, but they have a major need for guys who can get on base. All of the above get on base at pretty good rates, minus Gonzalez.....but he is an upgrade over Aviles regardless.

 

Obviously Lohse and Sanchez will cost some money, and if I had to choose......Sanchez any day of the week over the 35 year old Lohse.

[rjortiz]

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Who would require a big contract?

I said trade Ellsbury, which will save us from a Scott Boras albatross.

Trade for Bourn.

Sign Mike Napoli, but let Ortiz go....so the funds will be relocated to Napoli.

Signing Gonzalez will be peanuts.

Swisher is a mid level guy, hes not getting big money.

Hafner is also a mid level guy, you could probably get him cheap as well.

Signing Youkilis is not going to happen, but it was just a thought.

 

Im not suggesting any one player in specific, but they have a major need for guys who can get on base. All of the above get on base at pretty good rates, minus Gonzalez.....but he is an upgrade over Aviles regardless.

 

Obviously Lohse and Sanchez will cost some money, and if I had to choose......Sanchez any day of the week over the 35 year old Lohse.

 

Swisher will get close to Werth money, and Bourn is a free agent, but I like your Napoli idea.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Swisher will get close to Werth money, and Bourn is a free agent, but I like your Napoli idea.

 

wut?

 

Swisher won't sniff 9 digits. He'll be lucky if he gets $80mm.

[Station 13]

Swisher won't sniff 9 digits. He'll be lucky if he gets $80mm.

 

He'll be lucky to get over 4/60M. He's pricing himself too high.

[rjortiz]

wut?

 

Swisher won't sniff 9 digits. He'll be lucky if he gets $80mm.

 

He'll get more than Ethier did.