Jose Iglesias

[Rdsxmbnt]

 

I just don't get the love for Iggy. Kalish either for that matter.

 

It's because you base your opinions off tiny sample sizes

[Palodios]

If Iglesias is going to be the shortstop of the future they need to let the pitchers bat and DH his ass. Ciriaco had 3 three hit games in one week and at least 6 multi-hit games this year. Career .320.

 

Iglesias is 2 for 22 career .091. A major league stadium is not the place to learn how to hit.

 

As for fielding, Ciriaco ..971 fielding %. Iglesias .938.

 

I just don't get the love for Iggy. Kalish either for that matter.

 

DH doesn't work like that.

 

You're looking at small sample sizes for offensive numbers. Ciriaco will come down to earth, and Iggy will probably hit around .200.

 

Fielding percentage is a terrible way to look at defense, especially when looking at small sample sizes.

[Station 13]

I have no problem playing Mike Aviles next year at SS. He's slightly above average with defense, rarely makes bad throws. His bat is decent for a SS, with a few HR here and there. RISP he does rake. He's holding down the job. No-one has outplayed him at SS.

 

Send Iggy packing back to AAA.

[a700hitter]

I'd explore the possibility of the Marlins dumping Reyes.

[jung]

Aviles does have a great arm...that is his major asset. In fact if they moved him to the outfield he would immediately have the best outfield arm they have with the exception of Kalish when he is around and it might even be better than Kalish's arm.

 

I suspect unless something miraculous happens with Iggys bat or a trade does not happen we will see much more Ciriaco at SS next year as he is far better than Aviles is defensively and so far has carried a decent bat. Will have to see where he is when AL pitchers have more of a book on him.

[Station 13]

I'd explore the possibility of the Marlins dumping Reyes.

 

That would be a catastrophe.

[jung]

Reyes scares me. Not at all sure I would want to see him here.

[Station 13]

Aviles does have a great arm...that is his major asset. In fact if they moved him to the outfield he would immediately have the best outfield arm they have with the exception of Kalish when he is around and it might even be better than Kalish's arm.

 

I suspect unless something miraculous happens with Iggys bat or a trade does not happen we will see much more Ciriaco at SS next year as he is far better than Aviles is defensively and so far has carried a decent bat. Will have to see where he is when AL pitchers have more of a book on him.

 

Ciriaco is fast, but it doesn't mean his range is good. He has booted more balls in such a short time than I remember Aviles all year. SS is more difficult to play than 3B. and Ciriaco look pretty awful over 3B and it will only get more expose at SS. He's a utility guy, not a starter at any position.

[jung]

Well then they need to trade for a SS or simply bridge the season with Ciriaco and Aviles. Ciriaco sits about halfway from Aviles to Iggy. Aviles is simply not close to Ciriaco and Ciriaco is not close to Iggy but has a better bat than Iggy. In truth from what I have seen, the Sox simply don't have a SS at the moment. It is just that simple.

 

By the way, they clearly won't even let Aviles play 3rd under any circumstances although he is billed as being available for the position. At least they let Ciriaco play there. SS is the most difficult infield position but 3rd is enough different that a good SS does not necessarily make a good 3rd baseman. Ground ball plays are completely different between 3rd and SS. It is truly a different skill set.

[a700hitter]

Reyes scares me. Not at all sure I would want to see him here.

It depends on the price. He's not scared by a big stage and his full contract was much smaller than we paid to Crawford. If they could get a discount off that and throw in Iglesias and some other non-blue chip prospects, I would consider it.

[jimbob728]

DH doesn't work like that.

 

You're looking at small sample sizes for offensive numbers. Ciriaco will come down to earth, and Iggy will probably hit around .200.

 

Fielding percentage is a terrible way to look at defense, especially when looking at small sample sizes.

 

 

I agree that I am basing it on a small sample size. But I still don't think the Major Leagues is the place to learn to hit or to be satisfied with a .200 potential hitter.

 

He may save some runs with the glove but he will be a rally killer worse than Salty.

 

And what do you mean DH don't work like that. You can DH anybody just as long as only 9 players bat. If you DH Iggy the pitcher would have to bat. Based on a small sample size again Morales has more hits than Iggy.

 

I'd rather have a guy like Nomar, Ripken or even Aviles than a guy like Mario Mendoza.

[SoxSport]

Ciriaco is fast, but it doesn't mean his range is good. He has booted more balls in such a short time than I remember Aviles all year. SS is more difficult to play than 3B. and Ciriaco look pretty awful over 3B and it will only get more expose at SS. He's a utility guy, not a starter at any position.

 

I think Ciriaco is built more for SS than 3B. Tall, wirey, like Iggy. Looks awkward to me at 3B.

[SoxSport]

Reyes scares me. Not at all sure I would want to see him here.

 

I don't know if he would be available. He's overpaid, like most of those top FAs, and is too injury prone for his salary.

 

I think they ought to give Iggy a good look. Like 1-2 seasons. Then pass judgement on him.He has exceptional defensive skills. Let's see how he matures as a hitter. Rome was not built in a day.

 

His problem right now is his manager, who is showing signs of stress and may not be the right guy to handle a bunch of prospects. I wonder if Henry has considered that.

[SouthieFanatic]

I've given up on Iggy figuring out the bat. It's hard to say it though considering he's only 22. Aviles should start SS in 2013 until Bogaerts is ready to take it late 2013. Yes Bogaerts as a SS, not LF and not 3B

[Palodios]

You can DH anybody just as long as only 9 players bat. If you DH Iggy the pitcher would have to bat.

 

No.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_hitter

[Laser Show]

 

And what do you mean DH don't work like that. You can DH anybody just as long as only 9 players bat. If you DH Iggy the pitcher would have to bat. Based on a small sample size again Morales has more hits than Iggy.

 

 

There is no way Iggy can play SS and not have to bat. It just doesn't work that way. If the pitcher is batting in an AL game, you have basically forfeited the DH. You can take the bat out of the pitchers hands in an AL game, but you can't take it out of a fielders.

 

If Iggy was DHing, then the manager needs to be fired.

[jung]

If (still willing to say if) Iggy does not work out, it is truly a shame for a number of reasons....not the least of which is that until the next guy is ready to come up (already being talked about as passing Iggy by) then the Sox really don't have a SS. A true testament to the screwed up FO. They have three guys....none of whom represent a complete SS. Aviles who hits (sometimes) but fields (rarely), Ciriaco who fields far better than Aviles, not nearly as good as Iggy leaves us unsure as far as his hitting goes and Iggy who is a fielding genius but appears so far unable to hit a lick...as in not at all! I know SS's are at a premium especially of late but this is ridiculous.

[kapsis21]

If (still willing to say if) Iggy does not work out, it is truly a shame for a number of reasons....not the least of which is that until the next guy is ready to come up (already being talked about as passing Iggy by) then the Sox really don't have a SS. A true testament to the screwed up FO. They have three guys....none of whom represent a complete SS. Aviles who hits (sometimes) but fields (rarely), Ciriaco who fields far better than Aviles, not nearly as good as Iggy leaves us unsure as far as his hitting goes and Iggy who is a fielding genius but appears so far unable to hit a lick...as in not at all! I know SS's are at a premium especially of late but this is ridiculous.

 

just be our luck aint it.

[rhfil]

I am not sure what the issue is. As far as I am concerned Ciriaco is the starting ss next year. I thought he should have been this year. He is a better fielder and hitter than Aviles and certainly a much better hitter than Iglesias. I see no reason to look elsewhere for a ss.

[jung]

Ciriaco has not nearly had enough exposure to ML pitchers as yet and has yet to come out the other side of having every pitcher in the league know exactly what you weak spot is and pitching to it. Some guys come out of that OK, others do not.

 

At this point without anybody else I would start the season with Ciriaco at SS and Aviles or somebody backing him up. However we really do not know where Ciriaco is at this point. Although what he has shown is encouraging.

[Laser Show]

Ciriaco is plummeting back to earth. He's just not that good.

 

Iglesias will probably be Rey Ordonez 2.0

[Behindenemylines]

If Bogaerts shows he can play SS at AAA next year, then Iglesias will not be the future at SS. You will probably see him in Boston in 2014. If next year is a bridge year then they give Bogaerts the year at AAA.

[rhfil]

"Ciriaco is plummeting back to earth. He's just not that good." Check the numbers. He has not plummetted any more than the rest of the team. Meanwhile his numbers offensively and defensively for the left side of the infield are pretty close to anyone else who has played there for the Sox this year. His fielding percentages may not be as good but they are not bad and his hitting is the best. He needs more bat discipline but he is still young.

[Spitball]

The Sox have to be leery of the "Darnell McDonald Mirage" when it comes to Ciriaco. He has done well so far, but his minor league numbers tell us he won't keep producing at that level. Iglesias has put up better offensive and defensive numbers in the minor leagues.

[jimbob728]

No.

 

 

I stand corrected. I figured the rule was universal since high schools around here just DH the shittiest hitter. I thought they adopted the MLB rule. Thanks for the lesson, it doesn't hurt to learn something new every day.

[SCM33]

"Ciriaco is plummeting back to earth. He's just not that good." Check the numbers. He has not plummetted any more than the rest of the team. Meanwhile his numbers offensively and defensively for the left side of the infield are pretty close to anyone else who has played there for the Sox this year. His fielding percentages may not be as good but they are not bad and his hitting is the best. He needs more bat discipline but he is still young.

 

Ciriaco is plummeting, because he isnt that good. Hes a backup who got hot. If he or Iglesias are starting anywhere for this team next year. They have big time isses.

[SoxSport]

There isn't enough data to support most of the observations here. Both Iggy and Ciriaco need much more playing time--probably more than one season--to see what they can do.

 

The Red Sox are paying Iggy $2.5million per season. Too bad they wasted most of it this year--but the FO stubbornly saw the team as a playoff contender, and kept the kids under wraps in AAA. Perhaps an early souce of frustration with Valentine.

[jung]

The fact that the are not playing more is driving me crazy. They are not winning games at a more than 1:4 pace anyway. Just play these guys as much as possible and see what you have.

[a700hitter]

The fact that the are not playing more is driving me crazy. They are not winning games at a more than 1:4 pace anyway. Just play these guys as much as possible and see what you have.

It is baffling. Maybe they are afraid of exposing him.:dunno:

[SCM33]

Ciriaco is plummeting back to earth. He's just not that good.

 

Iglesias will probably be Rey Ordonez 2.0

 

He will be lucky to hit at Rey Ordonez's level.