Who will manage the 2013 Redsox?

[ConroyManfrogg]

Bobby Valentine was brought in for one purpose, to manage the Red Sox into contention. He did not do it. The Red Sox have played very poorly. As the saying goes, you can't fire twenty-five players, but you can fire the manager.

 

OK, well enough with the blanket statements. I've never heard that saying. You've compared BV departure against a non reality statement.

 

People that hate BV just hated him at the beginning of the season and continue to do so with out any evaluation. Just suggesting firing all the players clearly indicates they are to blame.

 

What are the top 5 reasons this year went down hill? I don't think any can be attributed to BV. Do you think line ups and pitching changes is why we're here now? Is it BV fault ellsbury, bailey, and crawford went down? Is it his fault the players are selfish and deserving.

 

Just saying he was brought here to win, and he didn't, is backing out of the question. Maybe you'd be better suited as a WEEI caller.

[NativeBostonian]

Oh how we quickly forget. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Why would we bring back a guy who lost control of a team? Someone who didn’t know when to take out a pitcher? Don't you remember how we joked about the seven run rule? How we call him Terry Frankcoma?

 

There is a reason why they brought Bobby Valentine to Boston. They needed a manager who can gain control over bunch of overpaid, overweight athletes. In my opinion, he's done just that. He started by calling out Youkilis. Although, it wasn’t popular, it was the right call. His heart wasn't in the game! He probably should have suspended Pedroia for speaking out against him when he said those things about Youkilis. Just recently he suspended Aviles for being a complete and utter douche bag. They've also made some inroads to turning this team around by getting rid of one of the cancers, Josh Beckett.

 

There's obviously going to be some fight back from the players. The only way to manage this team is to not break and bring in a softy of a manager. But, to continue on the path they are going. Continue to tell these spoiled brats that they're not going to take it anymore and if you don't like it you can pack your bags. Let's bring the Patriot way to Yawkey Way!

[Spitball]

OK, well enough with the blanket statements. I've never heard that saying. You've compared BV departure against a non reality statement.

 

It is an old saying in baseball. Perhaps you have not been following the game very long.

 

People that hate BV just hated him at the beginning of the season and continue to do so with out any evaluation. Just suggesting firing all the players clearly indicates they are to blame.

 

Talk about blanket statements! I did not hate Valentine in the beginning. No one is suggesting anyone fire all the players. It is just an old saying in baseball

 

What are the top 5 reasons this year went down hill? I don't think any can be attributed to BV. Do you think line ups and pitching changes is why we're here now? Is it BV fault ellsbury, bailey, and crawford went down? Is it his fault the players are selfish and deserving.

 

Just saying he was brought here to win, and he didn't, is backing out of the question.

 

I don't know how long you have been following baseball, but baseball is about winning. It is not about building a community club. There are lots of reasons games are won or lost, but the ultimate job of the manager is to create a winner.

 

Every manager will face problems. Players will get injured. Players will be selfish. It is the managers job to fix those problems the best he can in order to win baseball games.

 

Grady Little was a very successful manager in Boston in 2002 and 2003. In the 2003, he guided them to the ALCS against the Yankees. The series went to the seventh game and the Sox had Pedro Martinez, the greatest pitcher of our time, on the mound.

 

The Red Sox had a 5-2 lead in the eighth inning. They were six outs away from the World Series. After recording an out, Pedro gave up four straight hits and a run. Everyone could see Pedro was out of gas. The Sox had a deep bullpen, but Little allowed Pedro to pitch to Jorge Posada. Posada doubled to tie the game, and the Yankees would go onto win in eleven innings. They would go to the World Series, and the Red Sox would go home.

 

Shortly afterward, Little was out as the Red Sox manager. Why? It was simply because he didn't win when he had to. The lesson is that managers are expected to win.

 

Maybe you'd be better suited as a WEEI caller.

 

Dude, you've got four posts!

[ConroyManfrogg]

managers do very little to actually win or loose games. It's on the players

[rhfil]

I like BV but have been very disappointed in him lately. I think he will do well with young players. He talks too damn much.

Managers have not much impact on most games but can effect close games and BV's record in close games this year really sucks. To a certain degree he has not had the bench or bullpen to win those games but he also has not taken advantage of all the resources he has.

[Behindenemylines]

Managers that talk too much to try to get some of the media focus on them can be a positive thing. Its when they are throwing their players under the bus where you have problems.

[3rdManOut]

managers do very little to actually win or loose games. It's on the players

 

That maybe somewhat true but when it comes to pitching, managers need to know when to take one out or not. Of course if you ask any pitcher if they are still ok after giving up 5 runs or so, they will always want to stay in unless they get injured durinig the game. We need managers to "make the call" on them to try to ensure that the team can win games. Im sure there are other areas as well but thats the best one I can sum up.

[Behindenemylines]

Managing in today's era is tough because you got guys with 6 and 7 year contracts and making a lot of $$$$$$$ who are doing their own thing, and not the team thing. An on top of that you have the FO telling managers in some cases who to play and who is done at 160 innings on the season. Boston is a tough town to manage in before you factored all that in.

[ConroyManfrogg]

I find BV straight talk with the media refreshing. If he isn't pleased with something he will say it. Lord knows the media does plenty of trolling. BV doesn't run his mouth just to prove his self worth, or cause trouble. I got very tired of Tito's politically correct PR, and 'keep the players happy' strategy. A coach is a leader, if he needs to call out players then so be it.

[Spitball]

Sure, the players do the hitting and pitching, but managers really do impact a team's success. Talented players, like the Red Sox have, and a good manager can be the difference between a winning team and a below .500 team.

 

First of all, there are at least 1,000 signs flashed during a baseball game between the two teams. Most are generated by the managers, if not directly at least by the managers' designs.

 

The pitchers and catchers sign at least once per pitch and usually more. The pitch strategy has been pre-determined by the manager and staff before the first pitch is even thrown. The manager and his staff have to determine how batters will be pitched to.

 

Infielders have to know where to be positioned and who will cover the bag on a throw. If the wrong infielder leaves position to cover the bag, he will leave a hole for the batter. It is not always a left or right handed thing. The inside or outside pitch has to be called and the positioning has to be coordinated.

 

The outfield needs to know where to position themselves, and not just by the batter, but also by the pitches being thrown.

 

The offense has to be designed around strengths of the individuals. Whitey Herzog was an excellent example of a manager who would take advantage of personel. When he had only Jack Clark with any power, he ran the bases. He made sure Clark got fastballs to pound by sending runners. His offense put pressure on the defense and manufactured runs.

 

Pitchers and bullpen might be the hardest part of managing. When does the manager replace a pitcher? It can affect several games if the manager gets the relief pitcher up too early. It can lose a game if he waits too long.

 

The manager has to be a clubhouse leader. A manager can't simply say, "It will be my way." He has to earn that respect and act in a way that inspires athletes who earn millions of dollars.

 

Managing large egos and knowing the important nuances of baseball are not easy. I hope the Red Sox find the right guy. In my opinion, Bobby Valentine is not the guy.

[ConroyManfrogg]

Talented players, like the red Sox have,

 

well first you put forth that BV should go because of the sox loosing record. He was brought in to win, and the record shows he didn't, period end of repot. So these talented players that you speak of, please demonstrate them to me in statistics.

 

Pitchers and bullpen might be the hardest part of managing. When does the manager replace a pitcher? It can affect several games if the manager gets the relief pitcher up too early. It can lose a game if he waits too long.

That was what Tito always f***ed up on. So you feel BV has not had a good handle on pitching changes this year? Is it worth it that McClure wasn't even talking to BV after visiting the mound, and in general pouting like a little child?

 

Infielders have to know where to be positioned and who will cover the bag on a throw. If the wrong infielder leaves position to cover the bag, he will leave a hole for the batter. It is not always a left or right handed thing. The inside or outside pitch has to be called and the positioning has to be coordinated.

 

The outfield needs to know where to position themselves, and not just by the batter, but also by the pitches being thrown.

Doesn't the manager only position the field players for certain key plays?

 

The pitchers and catchers sign at least once per pitch and usually more. The pitch strategy has been pre-determined by the manager and staff before the first pitch is even thrown. The manager and his staff have to determine how batters will be pitched to.

It was so f***ed that BV was facing a mutiny by his own coaching staff. BV didn't get a fair trial. I think you don't like him from before the season and aren't basing it on anything done this year. But you don't like him, and thats your opinion, so be it. There may be a game plan upfront, but I was always under the impression that catchers called games.

[Woese]

I'd love to see the Red Sox take a page from the Cardinals or White Sox and hire Varitek - if of course he has any interest in managing. He's a guy who the players would respect a lot and listen too. He was also very well respected around the league so I do feel like his coaching staff would stand by him. That said, he doesn't have any experience of managing at all so he would be somewhat of a gamble.

[ConroyManfrogg]

Ya I'm all for getting Tek in the system and get him some experience in the minors. I think he needs that time before he could coach the sox.

[Trillz808]

Bobby V. vs John Farrell - some one break this down for me, the thought of john farrell coming back to boston sounds good because he did so great with out pitchers, but.... look at where his team is and they dont have much slouches either his team was stacked. Anyone have any good insight to Farrell coming back to boston

[Spitball]

Red Sox Eyeing Mike Scioscia

 

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [september 7 at 1:05pm CST]

 

The rumors surrounding John Farrell and the Red Sox won’t go away, especially now that Farrell’s Blue Jays are visiting Boston, where he coached until 2010. Farrell is the top choice of Red Sox officials to replace Bobby Valentine as the team’s manager in 2013, but he isn’t the only American League manager the Red Sox are considering. The Red Sox will turn to Angels manager Mike Scioscia if the Angels fire Scioscia and Farrell isn’t available, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports.

 

The Red Sox are expected to fire Valentine soon after the regular season ends, Nightengale writes. By that point the availability of Farrell, who’s under contract for 2013, and Scioscia, who’s under contract through 2018, should be more clear. Red Sox president Larry Lucchino told Nightengale the team hasn’t made a decision about Valentine’s future in Boston. "We'll re-evaluate it at the end of the season," Lucchino said.

[Behindenemylines]

Farrell has one year on his contract and the Sox would have to give the Jays something to get him next year. I think the Jays are the team that claimed De La Rosa causing the Sox and Dodgers maling him a player to be named later. If the Jays ask for him would they do that?

[Spitball]

Farrell has one year on his contract and the Sox would have to give the Jays something to get him next year. I think the Jays are the team that claimed De La Rosa causing the Sox and Dodgers maling him a player to be named later. If the Jays ask for him would they do that?

 

I believe De La Rosa would have to remain an unknown "player to be named later" until after the World Series if the Jays had claimed him during the waiver period. If he is named at the time of the trade, he isn't a "player to be named later."