8/14 @ Orioles

[Brennan]

Next year? Two years? Three years? All I know is when it does happen, it's gonna feel really really good to be back there.

[SoxSport]

Beckett shits the bed again with meatballs. Guess your inning with him.

[SoxSport]

Just be thankful you don't have season tickets.

[Station 13]

Lock the doors so Beckett can't escaped with his BFF Lackey in a get away vehicle.

[Brennan]

Lock the doors so Beckett can't escaped with his BFF Lackey in a get away vehicle.

 

 

 

Yeah but if they did would that be a bad thing?

[RedSoxNC84]

Beckett shits the bed again with meatballs. Guess your inning with him.

 

At least we know he's consistent.

[jung]

Well Lester if he stays has to be either a 3 or lower in the rotation. I would not rate Buch higher than a 2. None of the remaining guys are capable of being a 1 or a 2.

 

So if they believe that this team of everyday players is good enough then you empty your gun trying to get a 1 for the rotation in this off-seasn, even if it means you give up one of your favorite sons. As you have pointed out Doc even the favored sons are aging and you have to give something up to get something.

 

However....Ortiz will have to stay at least one more year if the plan is try to make a one year turn. They have to resign him as they cannot get anything out of him as a FA. They won't be able to give up his bat and give up one of the other favored son's bats at the same time.

 

I think folks are more in favor of trying to solve this bringing in a 3 for the rotation which will do nothing. I am inclined to think they want to do that because they don't want to give up any of the favored sons. I guess we have not gotten the s*** kicked out of us enough not having a legit 1 in the rotation for two years running.

[a700hitter]

The good news tonight is that Melancon finally turned the corner.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Well Lester if he stays has to be either a 3 or lower in the rotation. I would not rate Buch higher than a 2. None of the remaining guys are capable of being a 1 or a 2.

 

So if they believe that this team of everyday players is good enough then you empty your gun trying to get a 1 for the rotation in this off-seasn, even if it means you give up one of your favorite sons. As you have pointed out Doc even the favored sons are aging and you have to give something up to get something.

 

However....Ortiz will have to stay at least one more year if the plan is try to make a one year turn. They have to resign him as they cannot get anything out of him as a FA. They won't be able to give up his bat and give up one of the other favored son's bats at the same time.

 

I think folks are more in favor of trying to solve this bringing in a 3 for the rotation which will do nothing. I am inclined to think they want to do that because they don't want to give up any of the favored sons. I guess we have not gotten the s*** kicked out of us enough not having a legit 1 in the rotation for two years running.

 

Buchholz has ace stuff, no doubt. His only problem is the innings. But here lately, he has shown everyone that he can go deep into games and be an absolute ace.

 

I would feel comfortable next season with a 1-2 punch of Buchholz Lester. Again, I refuse to buy into the fact that somehow Lester has just fallen off a cliff. Players don't just lose talent out of no where. It doesn't happen. Especially not at 28.

 

I'll say it again. The 2 or 3 starts before the CLE start looked a lot like the last couple of starts in Buch's rough patch, where he'd be very good for 5 or 6 innings, them get pummeled in the 6th or 7th. After that, he settled down and has thrown 100 IP over 14 starts to a 2.64 ERA. Lester is fresh off a 12 K, 1.50 ERA performance. He's got 76 K's in his last 74.1 IP to go with only 21 BB.

 

Lester will be fine. Buchholz will be fine. You can anchor your staff with those 2. The emergence of Buchholz has that #1 pitcher has been the difference maker in what we thought we needed, and what we really need.

[DocHolliday]

Well Lester if he stays has to be either a 3 or lower in the rotation. I would not rate Buch higher than a 2. None of the remaining guys are capable of being a 1 or a 2.

 

So if they believe that this team of everyday players is good enough then you empty your gun trying to get a 1 for the rotation in this off-seasn, even if it means you give up one of your favorite sons. As you have pointed out Doc even the favored sons are aging and you have to give something up to get something.

 

However....Ortiz will have to stay at least one more year if the plan is try to make a one year turn. They have to resign him as they cannot get anything out of him as a FA. They won't be able to give up his bat and give up one of the other favored son's bats at the same time.

 

I think folks are more in favor of trying to solve this bringing in a 3 for the rotation which will do nothing. I am inclined to think they want to do that because they don't want to give up any of the favored sons. I guess we have not gotten the s*** kicked out of us enough not having a legit 1 in the rotation for two years running.

 

Given their recent history with acquiring talent from the outside, I'm skeptical that they can even bring in the right fit for a number one starter.

 

Either way, they have to change the mentality of the starting staff next season and get to the point where they aren't relying on Beckett and Lester to be aces. They have had ample opportunity to step up and they simply aren't capable.

 

Beckett simply can't be counted on anything with next year's team. He needs to be counted on by someone else's squad.

[jung]

I think there is still a glimmer of hope about this being a much better team than it is because we have not seen this year's September collapse yet. As bad as they have played....they are likely to play worse in this period where they have to play teams that are actually still playing for something this year. Somebody said they thought the Sox would play 350 ball out the season. I don't think they will play that badly but I do not think they will even play 500 ball which means they will end up below 500 for the season....winning fewer than 81 games.

 

This has not been a sudden deterioration either...they have been headed here for awhile now. Maybe they are finally going to show us what rock bottom looks like.

[Beecke]

Buchholz has ace stuff, no doubt. His only problem is the innings. But here lately, he has shown everyone that he can go deep into games and be an absolute ace.

 

I would feel comfortable next season with a 1-2 punch of Buchholz Lester. Again, I refuse to buy into the fact that somehow Lester has just fallen off a cliff. Players don't just lose talent out of no where. It doesn't happen. Especially not at 28.

 

I'll say it again. The 2 or 3 starts before the CLE start looked a lot like the last couple of starts in Buch's rough patch, where he'd be very good for 5 or 6 innings, them get pummeled in the 6th or 7th. After that, he settled down and has thrown 100 IP over 14 starts to a 2.64 ERA. Lester is fresh off a 12 K, 1.50 ERA performance. He's got 76 K's in his last 74.1 IP to go with only 21 BB.

 

Lester will be fine. Buchholz will be fine. You can anchor your staff with those 2. The emergence of Buchholz has that #1 pitcher has been the difference maker in what we thought we needed, and what we really need.

 

We can certainly hope so. But come on, something?s got to give here. This is atrocious on so many levels.

 

After missing the playoffs 3 straight seasons there should be no question anymore, that there is a problem here. So either they think it is a problem on the players front (and I find myseld pushed hard to like any of them at the moment), then clean the house. And I mean proper, with a plan that is layed out early and that they stick to throughout the time until it is finished and communicate what they are trying to achieve. Or they think it is a problem with the coaches, the management, whatever. Then clean house there. Whatever you do, no half-assed crap this time.

 

Something is very wrong here and I am sick to the back of my teeth about the hesitation that has been shown by the Red Sox to properly address anything. I am not feeling entitled to the Red Sox winning, all I want is to have a TEAM to root for, where from the outside I can at least vaguely see what they are trying to do and where everything is supposed to lead.

[jacksonianmarch]

Buchholz has ace stuff, no doubt. His only problem is the innings. But here lately, he has shown everyone that he can go deep into games and be an absolute ace.

 

I would feel comfortable next season with a 1-2 punch of Buchholz Lester. Again, I refuse to buy into the fact that somehow Lester has just fallen off a cliff. Players don't just lose talent out of no where. It doesn't happen. Especially not at 28.

 

I'll say it again. The 2 or 3 starts before the CLE start looked a lot like the last couple of starts in Buch's rough patch, where he'd be very good for 5 or 6 innings, them get pummeled in the 6th or 7th. After that, he settled down and has thrown 100 IP over 14 starts to a 2.64 ERA. Lester is fresh off a 12 K, 1.50 ERA performance. He's got 76 K's in his last 74.1 IP to go with only 21 BB.

 

Lester will be fine. Buchholz will be fine. You can anchor your staff with those 2. The emergence of Buchholz has that #1 pitcher has been the difference maker in what we thought we needed, and what we really need.

 

Buchholz has ace stuff, nobody would really dispute that this second. He didnt have ace stuff in April, nobody would dispute that either. He's also missed a ton of time over the last 3 seasons with various ailments, 2 of which could rear their heads in the future (esophagitis and spinal fracture). An ace is not just the best pitcher on your staff. It is a pitcher who you'd feel comfortable throwing up against any other team's best pitcher for 32 starts a year. The sox had that in Lester, but starting around September last yr, you lost that. Buchholz can hold that title now, but he cannot stay healthy and is on pace once again to not crack the 200IP mark, which shows his major lack of durability. I think the sox might be at a crossroads with him. If Buch finishes the yr on a tear, might they be better off selling high before another malady takes a big part of his season? Remember, he's been in the bigs for awhile, so it's not like he's under team control for another 5 yrs here. I think he's under control for another 2

[kapsis21]

Buchholz has ace stuff' date=' nobody would really dispute that this second. He didnt have ace stuff in April, nobody would dispute that either. He's also missed a ton of time over the last 3 seasons with various ailments, 2 of which could rear their heads in the future (esophagitis and spinal fracture). An ace is not just the best pitcher on your staff. It is a pitcher who you'd feel comfortable throwing up against any other team's best pitcher for 32 starts a year. The sox had that in Lester, but starting around September last yr, you lost that. Buchholz can hold that title now, but he cannot stay healthy and is on pace once again to not crack the 200IP mark, which shows his major lack of durability. I think the sox might be at a crossroads with him. If Buch finishes the yr on a tear, might they be better off selling high before another malady takes a big part of his season? Remember, he's been in the bigs for awhile, so it's not like he's under team control for another 5 yrs here. I think he's under control for another 2[/quote']

 

you yankee fan do not surprise me at all.. no wonder i hate yankees as a religion

[jacksonianmarch]

It is good to see nobody actually wants to dispute what I said. Because actual intellectual arguments are wasteful, let's just proclaim unilateral hatred for all things Yankees and move on. Good job.

[kapsis21]

It is good to see nobody actually wants to dispute what I said. Because actual intellectual arguments are wasteful' date=' let's just proclaim unilateral hatred for all things Yankees and move on. Good job.[/quote']

 

it is becoming moot point to actually dispute what you say because it is that stupid... get it!

 

now that i have said it Buch will be doomed and end his career due to a unknown injury that only jackio predicted and he knew about..!

[jacksonianmarch]

Really? It is stupid to think that you could get a bona fide ace if you move Buchholz this offseason? Would it be stupid for the sox to get a guy like Felix Hernandez or Josh Johnson for Buchholz? You think I am saying for the sox to deal him for nothing. You trade guys when they are at their peak, and Buch is reaching it.

[kapsis21]

Really? It is stupid to think that you could get a bona fide ace if you move Buchholz this offseason? Would it be stupid for the sox to get a guy like Felix Hernandez or Josh Johnson for Buchholz? You think I am saying for the sox to deal him for nothing. You trade guys when they are at their peak' date=' and Buch is reaching it.[/quote']

 

so CC Sabathia for Josh Johnson trade anyone.?? he is injured and wont likely return to form

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Not really fair to compare CC to Buchholz because CC is a proven ace.

[kapsis21]

Not really fair to compare CC to Buchholz because CC is a proven ace.

 

oh cmon man i though you were on my side.. :dunno:

 

but in all seriousness, you think Seattle is going to be ready to move Felix for Clay alone ..nada not happening.

 

and Johnson on Clay is a 1 on 1 move. not really going to help either team. so again i say useless thread

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I am cause I could never side with the Yankees I wasn't talking about the trade because you're probably right about both of them but CC can't be put in the sane category as Buchholz no matter what.

[kapsis21]

I am cause I could never side with the Yankees I wasn't talking about the trade because you're probably right about both of them but CC can't be put in the sane category as Buchholz no matter what.

 

you just dont hate them yankees to the level i do

[BornToRun]

I am cause I could never side with the Yankees I wasn't talking about the trade because you're probably right about both of them but CC can't be put in the sane category as Buchholz no matter what.

 

I agree. CC is far too much of a fat slob to be compared with Clay.

[kapsis21]

I agree. CC is far too much of a fat slob to be compared with Clay.

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[BornToRun]

You can't help but admire a man that can wear pink and still look intimidating.

[kapsis21]

You can't help but admire a man that can wear pink and still look intimidating.

 

very few people can pull that off!

I for one think pink is perfectly fine shirt color as long as its not that dark shining pink..

[BornToRun]

Oh definately. I rocked a pink shirt and tie to my homecoming dance last year. It looks perfectly fine if you know what you're doing.

[kapsis21]

^ yep