Do the Red Sox have players who are untouchable in trade talks?

[Spitball]

I'd say Dustin Pedroia, Xander Bogaerts, Matt Barnes, and Jackie Bradley. Anyone else?

[example1]

As I noted elsewhere, Henry Owens might be near the top of the Sox list. Will Middlebrooks was there last year, and will have 6 years of control left. I'm sure he draws lots of interest.

[wyo-sox]

I do not know enough about the minor league players to give a very knowledgeable answer, but right now I'd say Will Middlebrooks and maybe Pedroia. I'd also hold on to Morales and Dubront. I think they will get better and better and are young and cheap. They seem to have good attitudes and are hungry to compete. Lester, I am on the fence on. Need to see if he has the self fortitude to improve this year.

[Palodios]

They've explicitly said Lester is offlimits. Based on Buchholz's recent performances, he is absolutely not the kind of guy they'll want to sell low on. They've also explicitly told teams that they shouldn't bother asking about Lavarnway.

 

Agon, Lackey, Crawford are not going anywhere.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Pedroia. If they traded Pedroia I'd just stop watching baseball.

[SoxFanForsyth]

My untouchables - there are 3.

 

1. Pedroia, obvious reasons.

2. Buchholz - first off, I don't associate him w the beer and chicken crew from last year. Maybe the injury was a bit of a blessing in disguise because if he was healthy, he may get grouped in with those guys. Then again, if he is healthy, maybe they win 2 more games over the year and none of that even comes out. This year would be an even bigger disaster if they were a 95-97 win team last year like they should have been.

3. Middlebrooks - no chance I move him. He is the next Pedroia in terms of being a home grown, potential all star every year. He will hit you 25 hr and drive in 85-100 depending on where he is slotted in the order. He's a big right handed power bat that certainly justifies the excitement surrounding him. He is at 12 hr right now, and it wouldn't surprise me if he hit 20 this year, which is fantastic given he started late and is a 23 year old rookie.

 

Those are my 3 non-movable pieces. Anyone else is fair game as long as they bring back the talent we need. If the Mariners and Sox are talking about a deal involving Felix and they want Barnes and Bradley, go get him.

[Palodios]

Buchholz - first off, I don't associate him w the beer and chicken crew from last year. Maybe the injury was a bit of a blessing in disguise because if he was healthy, he may get grouped in with those guys.

 

Unfortunately he is a part of that group-- perhaps more so than Jon Lester. He was teeing off with Beckett during golfgate, remember?

[SemperFi Sox]

Lavarnaway is also off the table apparently.

[User Name]

Brandon Jacobs, Blake Swihart have apparently been asked about and "End Call" buttons have swiftly been pressed.

[SemperFi Sox]

Brandon Jacobs' date=' Blake Swihart have apparently been asked about and "End Call" buttons have swiftly been pressed.[/quote']

 

Where are you getting this from? Swihart maybe, but Chris Mellen from soxprospects sees Jacobs as expendable.

 

ChrisMellen If the #RedSox make a deal at the deadline for a SP, I'm expecting OF Brandon Jacobs and/or 3B Garin Cecchini to be in it.

[User Name]

Where are you getting this from? Swihart maybe, but Chris Mellen from soxprospects sees Jacobs as expendable.

 

 

 

ChrisMellen If the #RedSox make a deal at the deadline for a SP, I'm expecting OF Brandon Jacobs and/or 3B Garin Cecchini to be in it.

 

You do know Mellen has no direct association to the Red Sox or their FO's thinking? And Cecchini is expendable, i'll agree with that, but not because of ability but rather because of positional flexibility.

[SemperFi Sox]

You do know Mellen has no direct association to the Red Sox or their FO's thinking? And Cecchini is expendable' date=' i'll agree with that, but not because of ability but rather because of positional flexibility.[/quote']

 

He's a director of scouting for the website and I'm sure knows our farm system better than most in our FO. I've never heard from anyone that Jacobs is in the untouchable category. If his defense was better then maybe.

[User Name]

He's a director of scouting for the website and I'm sure knows our farm system better than most in our FO. I've never heard from anyone that Jacobs is in the untouchable category. If his defense was better than maybe.

 

He may know it better, but that doesn't influence their thinking. They're enamored with Jacobs' offensive potential, and they're really not that deep in corner outfielders with legitimate power potential. Remember that a lot of personnel decisions are influenced by depth as much as anything else.

[a700hitter]

No one should be untouchable, not at the minor or major league level. They are going to have to get creative, because we have too many untradeable players. No one should be off the table.

[SoxSport]

No one is untouchable except Pedroia.

 

I read today they are looking for a Rhd bat. ? What about Lav? That other guy Gomez has some pop, too.

 

I suspect they will do nothing. After all, the front office is the same bunch that made a lot of mistakes assembling this team--and they don't like to be shown up. So you won't see Salty or Beckett or Aviles or Crawford dealt. And you won't see Lav or Iglesias anytime soon. And they don't trade good prospects for salary. Those days ended with AdGon.

 

Be happy with the status quo.

 

PS. If I'm proven wrong, it means somebody twisted a few arms.

[User Name]

Or you were just wrong.

[SemperFi Sox]

Upton would be nice, don't want to give up the specs it would take to get him though.

[Orange Juiced]

No one should be untouchable' date=' not at the minor or major league level. They are going to have to get creative, because we have too many untradeable players. No one should be off the table.[/quote']

 

Nobody should be untouchable. I mean, I'd part with any member of the Red Sox, including Pedroia, if, say, the Nationals offered Strasburg and Harper. But my point is obviously this: some guys would require a MUCH greater return in order for me to be tempted to trade them. Guys like Matt Barnes and Bogaerts come to mind - guys that are extremely talented and who will fill positions of need on the Red Sox.

[a700hitter]

Nobody should be untouchable. I mean' date=' I'd part with any member of the Red Sox, including Pedroia, if, say, the Nationals offered Strasburg and Harper. But my point is obviously this: some guys would require a MUCH greater return in order for me to be tempted to trade them. Guys like Matt Barnes and Bogaerts come to mind - guys that are extremely talented and who will fill positions of need on the Red Sox.[/quote']I am starting to think that Barnes is over-hyped. As for Bogaerts, they had better had better move him to another position pronto, because 3rd base is blocked and he is too big to play SS.

[example1]

No one should be untouchable' date=' not at the minor or major league level. They are going to have to get creative, because we have too many untradeable players. No one should be off the table.[/quote']

 

Nobody should be untouchable, but can you identify the caliber of player it would take to pry Bradley or Barnes away? My requirements would include:

-pitcher

-cost controlled

-no health problems

-under 25 years old

 

There are a few guys who meet that criteria, like Bauer, Cole, Bundy, walker (from Seattle) and maybe a few others. Very few of those guys appear to be available and won't be for prospects, IMO. A team like Pittsburg might bite on a big MLB ready package, but it's unlikely.

 

That list is essentially untouchable in the real world. Sox need to find the next Felix, Pedro etc and spend the chips to get him.

[Orange Juiced]

Nobody should be untouchable, but can you identify the caliber of player it would take to pry Bradley or Barnes away? My requirements would include:

-pitcher

-cost controlled

-no health problems

-under 25 years old

 

There are a few guys who meet that criteria, like Bauer, Cole, Bundy, walker (from Seattle) and maybe a few others. Very few of those guys appear to be available and won't be for prospects, IMO. A team like Pittsburg might bite on a big MLB ready package, but it's unlikely.

 

That list is essentially untouchable in the real world. Sox need to find the next Felix, Pedro etc and spend the chips to get him.

 

Pittsburgh has Cole and Tallion so perhaps they could afford to lose one of those guys. But if I'm them, I'm keeping them...they have such a bright future as an organization.

[Orange Juiced]

I am starting to think that Barnes is over-hyped. As for Bogaerts' date=' they had better had better move him to another position pronto, because 3rd base is blocked and he is too big to play SS.[/quote']

 

First, Barnes. Why do you say he's over-hyped? I actually don't see much hype about him. But he *is* tremendous.

 

Second, Bogaerts. Why do you say he's too big? He's 6'3", 175 lbs. A little tall, maybe, but he's a really good athlete. ARod is 6'3", 225. Ripken was 6'4", 200. Jeter is 6'3", 195. Not saying he's going to be the next ARod, Ripken, or Jeter, but obviously those guys weren't too big to play SS.

 

He's just 19 years of age. I think he slides in perfectly as the SS of the future. Trade Iglesias while you can, or keep him around as the next Pokey Reese late innings defensive specialist.

[User Name]

I don't think Pitt would ever move Jameson though. Why would they? He's their future Strasburg, but semi-Canadian.

[SemperFi Sox]

First, Barnes. Why do you say he's over-hyped? I actually don't see much hype about him. But he *is* tremendous.

 

Second, Bogaerts. Why do you say he's too big? He's 6'3", 175 lbs. A little tall, maybe, but he's a really good athlete. ARod is 6'3", 225. Ripken was 6'4", 200. Jeter is 6'3", 195. Not saying he's going to be the next ARod, Ripken, or Jeter, but obviously those guys weren't too big to play SS.

 

He's just 19 years of age. I think he slides in perfectly as the SS of the future. Trade Iglesias while you can, or keep him around as the next Pokey Reese late innings defensive specialist.

 

He's going to be over 200 lb once he fills out more.

[sleepyhollow]

It's time to either blow up the team, or the FO decides to sell.

This is the most unlikeable team ever. We need to clean out

the stench; including Valentine, Cherington, LL.

[Youk Of The Nation]

He's going to be over 200 lb once he fills out more.

 

 

Just play him all the Sox games from August '11 until now on a loop. That should give him the runs enough to ensure a constant shedding of excess weight.

[SoxFanForsyth]

He's going to be over 200 lb once he fills out more.

 

Right, but when does he fill out? Likely what, 26 or 27? So if he goes 1 level per year, he is with the Sox when he is 22. So that gives him around 5 seasons of SS before he is fully grown, and at that point you can make a decision on what you want to do with him but at least you will have had 5 years of Middlebrooks/Bogaerts as a left side of the infield. That's what they need to gun for right now, because that would be a ridiculous infield paired with Pedroia and Gonzalez.

[a700hitter]

First, Barnes. Why do you say he's over-hyped? I actually don't see much hype about him. But he *is* tremendous.

 

Second, Bogaerts. Why do you say he's too big? He's 6'3", 175 lbs. A little tall, maybe, but he's a really good athlete. ARod is 6'3", 225. Ripken was 6'4", 200. Jeter is 6'3", 195. Not saying he's going to be the next ARod, Ripken, or Jeter, but obviously those guys weren't too big to play SS.

 

He's just 19 years of age. I think he slides in perfectly as the SS of the future. Trade Iglesias while you can, or keep him around as the next Pokey Reese late innings defensive specialist.

Barnes is 22 and hasn't dominated at any high level of the minors, so at age 23 next season, if he is the real deal, he should be dominating at least at AA. Until he does that, I reserve judgment. He hasn't proved to me that he is going to be a big time MLB stud pitcher. Right now, he is another Casey Kelly prospect from a few years back.

 

Every projection that I read about Bogaerts is that he will not be a SS in the majors. It seems like that is the organizations plan, not mine.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Barnes is 22 and hasn't dominated at any high level of the minors, so at age 23 next season, if he is the real deal, he should be dominating at least at AA. Until he does that, I reserve judgment. He hasn't proved to me that he is going to be a big time MLB stud pitcher. Right now, he is another Casey Kelly prospect from a few years back.

 

Every projection that I read about Bogaerts is that he will not be a SS in the majors. It seems like that is the organizations plan, not mine.

 

Barnes has 71 K and 16 BB in 67.1 innings in high A Salem, and has allowed only 2 HR. those are the numbers you need to look at right now because it's not his choice to be at Salem. I'm sure they will be putting him at Portland soon, but even so, he's got a 9.5 K/9 and a 2.1 BB/9.

 

Those are impressive numbers, and he is getting recognition for it (13th best prospect in BA Midseason rankings), but it's justified.

[a700hitter]

Barnes has 71 K and 16 BB in 67.1 innings in high A Salem, and has allowed only 2 HR. those are the numbers you need to look at right now because it's not his choice to be at Salem. I'm sure they will be putting him at Portland soon, but even so, he's got a 9.5 K/9 and a 2.1 BB/9.

 

Those are impressive numbers, and he is getting recognition for it (13th best prospect in BA Midseason rankings), but it's justified.

I don't disagree, but I will wait to see if he can do the same at AA before I get excited about him.