Report: Red Sox attempting to trade Crawford for Hanley.

[MANNYHOF24]

I've always thought we would eventually get Hanley back.....but his "yearly" rumors never really pan out.

 

Some "rumors" you just know, are going to happen... Like we all knew ( 2 yrs before it happened ) that Adrian Gonzalez would be a red sox... I knew , that eventually , Crawford would be a red sox...... I would love to see hanram back with Boston, but not with this deal

 

How the hell did you know Crawford was going to be a red sox? That was totally out of the blue.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If the Marlins are dying to get rid of HanRam, make a deal for him, I'm all for it. But not for Carl Crawford. If they want to sell low on him, fine. We'll buy low on HanRam, I don't mind. Send them Bryce Brentz and Garin Cecchini, see if they'll listen then.

 

If they want pitching, send them Franklin Morales and Brentz. I don't know. Just make it happen.

[BornToRun]

Even though I'd rather keep Crawford' date=' I think Hanley would be a better fit here. We all go on about how we're too LHH heavy and have no RH power, and Hanley could fix that. He could hit 90-100 XBH at Fenway if he ever gets back to normal.[/quote']

 

The too LHH heavy thing is kind of a myth though. At least for this team.

[kapsis21]

If the Marlins are dying to get rid of HanRam, make a deal for him, I'm all for it. But not for Carl Crawford. If they want to sell low on him, fine. We'll buy low on HanRam, I don't mind. Send them Bryce Brentz and Garin Cecchini, see if they'll listen then.

 

If they want pitching, send them Franklin Morales and Brentz. I don't know. Just make it happen.

not Franklin man... he is the only guy looking good for a LHH starter this year. oops forgot Doubbie

Bard/Salty ??? for HanRam

[ellsburyforMVP]

How the hell did you know Crawford was going to be a red sox? That was totally out of the blue.

 

Was a " gut feeling "? I honestly thought we would of traded for him a couple yrs ago ( post-Jason bay )..... Just always thought he'd end up a " red sox " one way or the other

 

Edit: just like I "feel" that hanram will end up back in Boston....( I've had the "feeling" for a few yrs though ) :dunno:

[jung]

Hamram at some point for somebody is surely a possibility. There is much about hanley's game that the sox would admire. Clearly they would use him as a SS and keep WMB at 3rd. Hanley is much more the kind of SS the Sox like. Given a chance to get one the Sox will take a SS that boots the ball around but hits every time.

[SoxSport]

Ha. Just heard Bob Ryan and Dan Shaughnessy debating whether CC should be traded for HR.

They both said --In a minute. Yes. They wondered why Miami would be interested in Crawford and his huge contract. They also said the 2nd player in the deal would probably be Iglesias.? They have Reyes at SS, unless he moves to 3B.

Didn't say anything about Bell. They said Ramirez could be a factor at Fenway and is cheaper than CC.

But Bell evens the money out. Though the money is shorter than Crawford's and split up between 2 players.

 

Both these guys said do the trade. But the Globe fan "poll" says 65/35 keep Crawford. Difference of opinion there, though these internet polls aren't really polls.

[SoxSport]

If the Marlins are dying to get rid of HanRam, make a deal for him, I'm all for it. But not for Carl Crawford. If they want to sell low on him, fine. We'll buy low on HanRam, I don't mind. Send them Bryce Brentz and Garin Cecchini, see if they'll listen then.

 

If they want pitching, send them Franklin Morales and Brentz. I don't know. Just make it happen.

 

 

They have to deal money if they are going to take on money. HR makes about $15 million.

[a700hitter]

Memo to Benny:

 

It's the pitching, stupid. We don't need a trade of one prima dona bat for another prima dona bat. We got the offense covered. We are #1 in runs. Get a pitcher. Trading CC for HanRam is not a bold move to help this team, and I don't care how many of your lackey and toadies in the press are carrying your water on this. That trade would be about Miami getting rid of a headache and Boston getting rid of a contract. It would do zero, zilch, nada for the 2012 Red Sox roster.

[SoxSport]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/07/larry_lucchino_1.html

 

Has anyone posted this? Lucchino says BC is empowered to make a big deal. He also said Jennings, the Marlins VP, drafted Crawford and is in town looking at him. What it tells me is there is interest in both sides. No denials here.

[SoxSport]

Memo to Benny:

 

It's the pitching, stupid. We don't need a trade of one prima dona bat for another prima dona bat. We got the offense covered. We are #1 in runs. Get a pitcher. Trading CC for HanRam is not a bold move to help this team, and I don't care how many of your lackey and toadies in the press are carrying your water on this. That trade would be about Miami getting rid of a headache and Boston getting rid of a contract. It would do zero, zilch, nada for the 2012 Red Sox roster.

 

Bell is part of the proposed deal. He has a problem--I would guess too many cheeseburgers.

[Laser Show]

Make the deal if you really want to, just remember that we still need a front of the rotation SP. Tweak the offense however you want, as long as you get an anchor later.

 

Imagine that 1-5 though..

 

Ellsbury L

Pedroia R

Gonzo L

Hanley R

Ortiz L

 

Hanley wouldn't get as many SB, but 1-4 would always have something to hit.

[a700hitter]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/07/larry_lucchino_1.html

 

Has anyone posted this? Lucchino says BC is empowered to make a big deal. He also said Jennings, the Marlins VP, drafted Crawford and is in town looking at him. What it tells me is there is interest in both sides. No denials here.

And we, the fans are supposed to lap this up like it is a good thing. This will not improve the 2012 Red Sox. They need some pitching. This is a big name distraction for the fans. Get lost LL if you think this is a big bold deal. Felix Hernandez would be bold. Same for Cole Hamels or Greinke.

[a700hitter]

Make the deal if you really want to, just remember that we still need a front of the rotation SP. Tweak the offense however you want, as long as you get an anchor later.

 

Imagine that 1-5 though..

 

Ellsbury L

Pedroia R

Gonzo L

Hanley R

Ortiz L

 

Hanley wouldn't get as many SB, but 1-4 would always have something to hit.

^ and we are starting to lap it up like they had hoped. We are #1 in runs scored. Will being 1+ win us any more games if our pitchers keep digging holes?

[Laser Show]

^ and we are starting to lap it up like they had hoped. We are #1 in runs scored. Will being 1+ win us any more games if our pitchers keep digging holes?

 

Hanley fits our lineup better. I love Crawford, and I'm probably one of the few who welcomed him to Boston with open arms.

 

However, I do know we need a #1 SP. If that trade happens, I want it to be completely independent of, and not affect, our ability to go out and get an ace.

[a700hitter]

Hanley fits our lineup better. I love Crawford, and I'm probably one of the few who welcomed him to Boston with open arms.

 

However, I do know we need a #1 SP. If that trade happens, I want it to be completely independent of, and not affect, our ability to go out and get an ace.

Yep, I am with you on that.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Hanley fits our lineup better. I love Crawford, and I'm probably one of the few who welcomed him to Boston with open arms.

 

However, I do know we need a #1 SP. If that trade happens, I want it to be completely independent of, and not affect, our ability to go out and get an ace.

 

Morales or doubront + Crawford and Iglesias + a filler for hanram/josh Johnson and we'll eat bells salary

[Laser Show]

Morales or doubront + Crawford and Iglesias + a filler for hanram/josh Johnson and we'll eat bells salary

 

That "filler" would most likely be a couple of top 100 prospects. The Marlins hold JJ in very high regard.

[ellsburyforMVP]

That "filler" would most likely be a couple of top 100 prospects. The Marlins hold JJ in very high regard.

 

Just saying..... Seems like we have the upper hand as if the rumors are correct, Miami contacted us about Crawford

[kapsis21]

Morales or doubront + Crawford and Iglesias + a filler for hanram/josh Johnson and we'll eat bells salary

 

promising... if it happens, wouldnt mind this deal.

[SoxSport]

And we' date=' the fans are supposed to lap this up like it is a good thing. This will not improve the 2012 Red Sox. They need some pitching. This is a big name distraction for the fans. Get lost LL if you think this is a big bold deal. Felix Hernandez would be bold. Same for Cole Hamels or Greinke.[/quote']

 

Well, sure. You mean a starter. But they aren't going to get a prime starter for CC.

A deal for Carl would be the deal on the table--for two other underachieving salaries. It's a dump.

Now maybe the deal gets expanded to include a starter like Sanchez or Johnson--but that's unlikely. The Marlins want to dump Bell and HRam, and they're willing to take on 6 years of CC at $20 mil. If you're the Red Sox, you take it and run. Then look for a prime starter for prospects.

[a700hitter]

Well, sure. You mean a starter. But they aren't going to get a prime starter for CC.

A deal for Carl would be the deal on the table--for two other underachieving salaries. It's a dump.

Now maybe the deal gets expanded to include a starter like Sanchez or Johnson--but that's unlikely. The Marlins want to dump Bell and HRam, and they're willing to take on 6 years of CC at $20 mil. If you're the Red Sox, you take it and run. Then look for a prime starter for prospects.

I realize that. I wasn't trying to say that they should trade CC for a starter. I just don't think trading CC for HanRam is a bold move that we need. It is a dump of a malcontent by the Marlins and a dump of salary by the Sox. It's not going to improve the Sox. We need pitching and that will cost prospects and/or money. We will not get pitching in exchange for CC. I agree.

[FenwayWest]

This thread was struck dead after the second post... Unfortunately, the media, in an effort to drive traffic through sexy storylines, created this with no real merit. Crawford isn't going anywhere, and to trade him right now would be a horrible mistake. He had a bad year last year, and he had a rough go of it with injuries this year. Compound that with the fact that he's gonna miss some time eventually, whether it be later this year or next spring with TJ surgery. His value isn't very high right now. It would be better to hang on to him for at least a few more years and see if he bounces back... Would hate to see him go somewhere and tear it up while we're still eating his payrol!

[SouthieFanatic]

Well this is just ridiculous Crawford had one bad year and we are already screaming trade. Cant say it surprises me, though this trade is absolutely not happening. Id be shocked if this trade fell through.. Keep Crawford, give him a full healthy year and then evaluate his future

[SoxSport]

Yahoo sports has had a story for 24 hrs saying the "deal flames out." They ran this story before the Marlins' Jennings showed up at Fenway last night to see CC. An example of poor reporting based on Olney's inaccurate twitter. The deal clearly isn't dead. It is a proposal--not a deal--at this point.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Yahoo sports has had a story for 24 hrs saying the "deal flames out." They ran this story before the Marlins' Jennings showed up at Fenway last night to see CC. An example of poor reporting based on Olney's inaccurate twitter. The deal clearly isn't dead. It is a proposal--not a deal--at this point.

 

Just because Jennings is at Fenway doesn't mean a deal is even being discussed.

 

Not to mention that Olney's report matches what Bradford and Gammons are reporting. I trust a beat writer much more than a national writer, and of all the national writers, I trust Olney the most. He doesn't blow smoke.

[SCM33]

If the Marlins are dying to get rid of HanRam, make a deal for him, I'm all for it. But not for Carl Crawford. If they want to sell low on him, fine. We'll buy low on HanRam, I don't mind. Send them Bryce Brentz and Garin Cecchini, see if they'll listen then.

 

If they want pitching, send them Franklin Morales and Brentz. I don't know. Just make it happen.

 

Absolutely not.

 

We do not need players like Hanley in our clubhouse. We are still struggling to rid ourselves of the current problem.

 

And Morales is going to be a damn good starting pitcher. Absolutely not.

[SouthieFanatic]

Olney is reporting Garza is a strong possibility, no word from Olney regarding Hanley. Dumpster oops meant Dempster is likely for Dodger or White sox

[SoxSport]

Just heard CC said on Vs show yesterday he was told not to run as much last year by Tito. He has the green light from V. It certainly looked that way last year. You take the running away from Crawford, you take away a large part of his game. It sounds prepostrous they would spend $140 million on a guy and try to change his game. That has HUBRIS written all over it.

[SoxSport]

Just because Jennings is at Fenway doesn't mean a deal is even being discussed.

 

Not to mention that Olney's report matches what Bradford and Gammons are reporting. I trust a beat writer much more than a national writer, and of all the national writers, I trust Olney the most. He doesn't blow smoke.

 

 

Yeah--Jennings was in Boston for his son's graduation.

 

The smoke being blown is those guys you mentioned above. There is no deal--yet--to kill.

Denials are SOP dealing with leaks.

 

Olney is NY pundit. If you give me a week, I'll think of something positive a NY pundit has said about the Red Sox--or any other Boston team.