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Emmz Salem RidgeYaks

Emmz

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He's perhaps the most talented player on this team' date=' and it seems like all his stuff is still there. When he stops pitching like a loser, I'd agree with you.[/quote']

 

So not pitching well equates to attitude problems? You're talking out of your keyster Pal.

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Well given the importance of an insurance run, it might have made sense to just have tried to move the runner up one spot even at the expense of an out and see if we could plate the run. Even if Punto got a hit, it was very unlikely that Mike would score from 1st. We are leading in this game so an insurance run would be really really helpful.
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So not pitching well equates to attitude problems? You're talking out of your keyster Pal.

 

Yeah I actually agree.

 

A flare single, a walk, and a lefty on lefty HR that got caught in the wind.

 

Would he have attitude problems right now if that ball was caught at the track and it was 4-1 right now, not 4-3?

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You can't be serious. I don't have to be an expert on human behavior. Just need a pair of eyes and a pair of ears in Lester's case.

 

It is really common knowledge at this point that he won't let it go and is causing himself way more problems than he would have if he would just do so....has admitted it himself but can't seem to do anything about it.

 

I do think you might be onto something "Pal" as Lester was not like this at all a few years ago. Although it would not surprise if the combined influences of Lackey and Beckett may be an issue for Lester.

 

You're being pretentious. You seriously think eyes and ears is all it takes to make guesses about what's wrong with Lester. Of all the guys who're struggling on this team, he's your guy, because he's visibly upset?

 

That's a crock of s*** and you know it.

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Your not listening. All you have to do is listen to player. He has already admitted these issues are causing problems on the mound.

 

I don't to have to guess about whether they are causing him issues on the mound. Lester has already told me they are. He just has not found a way to deal with them yet.

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Yeah I actually agree.

 

A flare single, a walk, and a lefty on lefty HR that got caught in the wind.

 

Would he have attitude problems right now if that ball was caught at the track and it was 4-1 right now, not 4-3?

 

Exactly. He was good today, and it's sad how people here are trying to diagnose him with psychological problems like they've got degrees that entitle them to do so.

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Lester's line tonight: 6.2 IP, 8 K, 1 BB, 3 ER. ERA: 4.05. xFIP: 1.76.

 

Both his FIP and his xFIP are a full run below his ERA right now on the season. He's getting very unlucky.

 

His BB/9 of 2.68 is the lowest of his career, which has always been his problem, and his K/9 is climbing (up to 7.21 right now).

 

Over his last 3 starts, he's struck out 21 and walked 3. And he has a 4.12 ERA. I'd say this season is pretty frustrating for him, and I don't blame him for being frustrated.

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Your not listening. All you have to do is listen to player. He has already admitted these issues are causing problems on the mound.

 

I don't to have to guess about whether they are causing him issues on the mound. Lester has already told me they are. He just has not found a way to deal with them yet.

 

So what? You wouldn't have said s*** if he went 7 innings with a 4-1 lead. Now you're guessing whether or not Beckett's rubbed off on him. Also, he has not said attitude problems are causing him to struggle as far as I know of.

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Lester's line tonight: 6.2 IP, 8 K, 1 BB, 3 ER. ERA: 4.05. xFIP: 1.76.

 

Both his FIP and his xFIP are a full run below his ERA right now on the season. He's getting very unlucky.

 

His BB/9 of 2.68 is the lowest of his career, which has always been his problem, and his K/9 is climbing (up to 7.21 right now).

 

Over his last 3 starts, he's struck out 21 and walked 3. And he has a 4.12 ERA. I'd say this season is pretty frustrating for him, and I don't blame him for being frustrated.

 

THIS. He's struggling, and he hasn't pitched terribly. Seriously, how is this an attitude problem?

jung Worcester Red Sox

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Why don't you people make up your mind.

 

One of you wants to talk about Lester having pitched well tonight and somehow thinks I believe he had a particularly bad night.

 

One of you wants to talk about how frustrating his season has been and apparently thinks he has earned his frustration.

 

I don't think he has a single reason to be glaring out of the dugout AGAIN tonight. He pitched pretty well. He gave in on that dinger pitch and that would be the only thing he should have reservations about tonight. Not something he should have done and in other circumstances, easily the kind of thing that could cost him the game.

 

However:

He had a pretty good night I thought (although maybe he did not think so)

He was not pulled early

V had every right to come and talk to him before pulling him

the ump was not squeezing him to any great degree

 

Whether the issues that he himself has admitted to leaked into his game in that last inning is something I cannot divine. I do know that he himself has publicly admitted that he has attitude issues and he no longer seems to even recognize a good outing from a bad outing...no longer enjoys himself out there on the mound and has not found a way to get past this stuff yet.

 

Way more than 95% of Lester's starts are going to end with him being pulled at some point. So hopefully that is not an issue for him.

 

If Lester cannot draw enough positive energy from what he did on the mound to keep from stewing around the dugout like a caged bear that is truly a shame. Not sure when or how he is going to resolve this stuff but I repeat....I do not have to guess about whether or not these are issues for Lester. He has already publicly admitted that they are and has publicly admitted that they effect his performance on the mound.

 

You people are the amateur analysts. All I have to do is listen to the player himself and watch.

jung Worcester Red Sox

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Also, he has not said attitude problems are causing him to struggle as far as I know of.

 

In fact, yes he has.

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