2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[kapsis21]

The weird Crawford "rest day" in the middle of the Yankee series was the topper. That was an indicator to baseball people the Red Sox had serious organizational problems. They have disappeared off MLB TV.

 

it boggles me seriously.. i didnt know being a redsox fan came with so much baggage.

[Station 13]

Not if Beckett get DL'd.' date=' and Doubs will hit his innings limit right around the beginning of September.[/quote']

 

Cook should just be waive if anyone claim him. 2K in last 5 start....... it's not working anymore. We'd get back at least a prospect if it's favorable they let him go. He will make his next start vs Texas. Do you want to watch that?

 

If Beckett gets DL, Morales take his place and Mortensen takes Cook's. By September the roster has expanded allowing more pitchers to be added (Bard/Bailey).

[SoxSport]

Derek Lowe is begging for the Sox to give him a shot. I say yes. The guy was a first rate closer and has a good sinker for Fenway. I would put him in the BP.

[a700hitter]

Cook should just be waive if anyone claim him. 2K in last 5 start....... it's not working anymore. We'd get back at least a prospect if it's favorable they let him go. He will make his next start vs Texas. Do you want to watch that?

 

If Beckett gets DL, Morales take his place and Mortensen takes Cook's. By September the roster has expanded allowing more pitchers to be added (Bard/Bailey).

Cook against Texas would be a blood bath.

[a700hitter]

Derek Lowe is begging for the Sox to give him a shot. I say yes. The guy was a first rate closer and has a good sinker for Fenway. I would put him in the BP.

He can't be worse than Cook. I'd give him a shot.

[Jasonbay44]

Definitely wouldn't mind bringing Lowe back and giving him a shot, I'm not expecting much though.

[Jasonbay44]

Carl Crawford placed on waivers.. Not really sure why I'm even posting this, there is no way in hell any team in the league claims him.

[a700hitter]

Carl Crawford placed on waivers.. Not really sure why I'm even posting this' date=' there is no way in hell any team in the league claims him.[/quote']Early on in Brian Cashman's career, he put in a claim for Frank Thomas who was in the middle of a very large contract with the White Sox. The White Sox GM called Brian and told him that he should just let the Yankees have him and the contract. Cashman started sweating. He didn't need or want the Big Hurt. He had put in the claim just to block another team from making a trade for him. He would have had a very difficult time explaining to the Boss how he'd just acquired Frank Thomas to sit on their bench.

 

No one will claim Crawford. And no one will trade for him either unless the Sox eat all of his salary.

[jung]

Sox are in my honest opinion a joke in their FO and Management. It appears that they will go out of their way to hide their intentions with a player and then drop their pants around their ankles in a different instance.

 

Clearly now the Sox do not want Carl....at all.....please somebody take him off the waiver wire for us. That should make any future possible trade opportunities real interesting. I would not mind if there was a snowballs chance in hell of somebody picking Carl off the waiver wire but nobody is going to do that...nobody...so they give up information while getting nothing for it....sort of like giving up Youk to an AL team and getting nothing for it.

[Orange Juiced]

He can't be worse than Cook. I'd give him a shot.

 

Derek Lowe's last 12 games: 60.1 ip, 91 h, 59 er, 27 bb, 26 k, 8.80 era, 1.96 whip, .351 baa

 

Aaron Cook's 8 game line: 44.2 ip, 50 h, 26 er, 4 bb, 4 k, 5.24 era, 1.21 whip, .279 baa

 

So yes, he could be MUCH, MUCH worse than Cook. In fact, he has been.

 

I'm bummed about it, b/c I'd like to see him here if he would help the team, but the fact of the matter is that there is a significantly greater chance that he would be worse than Cook than that he would be an improvement.

 

What I *would* do, however, is contact him and see if he'd do a minor league contract. Stash him in Pawtucket. Maybe there he gets things ironed out and he can help the team down the stretch. If so, great, he becomes a nice, cheap addition. If he can't, and if the Sox are for sure out of it, bring him up in late September for one last start so that the fans can give him a proper send off as one of the 25.

[Orange Juiced]

Sox are in my honest opinion a joke in their FO and Management. It appears that they will go out of their way to hide their intentions with a player and then drop their pants around their ankles in a different instance.

 

Clearly now the Sox do not want Carl....at all.....please somebody take him off the waiver wire for us. That should make any future possible trade opportunities real interesting. I would not mind if there was a snowballs chance in hell of somebody picking Carl off the waiver wire but nobody is going to do that...nobody...so they give up information while getting nothing for it....sort of like giving up Youk to an AL team and getting nothing for it.

 

I know I'm the newbie in this forum and you have posted a lot, but I have to ask the question: how long have you followed baseball? After the trade deadline, every team essentially puts every player they have on waivers. If someone they actually want to keep gets claimed, they simply pull him back and keep him. If someone they want to drop gets claimed, sweet, they're off the hook for what's left on his contract. If someone they want to trade gets claimed, then they can pull him back and have a certain window of time to work out a trade, but at least you know you have a semi-interested party on the other end of the line.

 

This is not news at all. All it tells us about the Red Sox' management is that they are doing the responsible thing putting their players on waivers, just like every other team will do.

 

Keep in mind that the trade deadline is really just the "non-waiver" deadline. That is, you can still trade guys post-July 31, but those players had to have cleared waivers first (or been claimed by the team you're trying to trade with). So if any team wants the flexibility to make *ANY* trade from this point on, they have to have sent their players through waivers. Again, standard operating procedure...everybody does it. Robinson Cano will almost certainly be put on waivers. Josh Hamilton will be put on waivers. Roy Halladay will be put on waivers.

[a700hitter]

Derek Lowe's last 12 games: 60.1 ip, 91 h, 59 er, 27 bb, 26 k, 8.80 era, 1.96 whip, .351 baa

 

Aaron Cook's 8 game line: 44.2 ip, 50 h, 26 er, 4 bb, 4 k, 5.24 era, 1.21 whip, .279 baa

 

So yes, he could be MUCH, MUCH worse than Cook. In fact, he has been.

 

I'm bummed about it, b/c I'd like to see him here if he would help the team, but the fact of the matter is that there is a significantly greater chance that he would be worse than Cook than that he would be an improvement.

 

What I *would* do, however, is contact him and see if he'd do a minor league contract. Stash him in Pawtucket. Maybe there he gets things ironed out and he can help the team down the stretch. If so, great, he becomes a nice, cheap addition. If he can't, and if the Sox are for sure out of it, bring him up in late September for one last start so that the fans can give him a proper send off as one of the 25.

So, we are going to pick nits over degrees of s*** now? Neither one's pitching has been acceptable recently. We already gave Cook a chance. He blew his chance by giving up 6 HRs in his last 3 games. We can give Lowe a chance.

[Orange Juiced]

So' date=' we are going to pick nits over degrees of s*** now? Neither one's pitching has been acceptable recently. We already gave Cook a chance. He blew his chance by giving up 6 HRs in his last 3 games. We can give Lowe a chance.[/quote']

 

You said he can't be worse than Cook. I'm pointing out that not only can he be worse than Cook, he *IS* worse than Cook. By a lot. But if you somehow managed to finish reading my post I suggested how the Sox should sign him to a minor league deal and try to straighten him out in Pawtucket. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, no big deal.

 

But the difference between an 8.80 era and a 5.24 era is enormous. Unless you think that three and a half runs per nine innings is meaningless.

 

If you didn't mean "he can't be worse than Cook" then please help improve communication by typing what you actually do mean. You can't say things that aren't hard to understand and then complain when people actually take your words to mean what they sure appear to say. Say what you mean, mean what you say. We'll all be better off.

[a700hitter]

I know I'm the newbie in this forum and you have posted a lot, but I have to ask the question: how long have you followed baseball? After the trade deadline, every team essentially puts every player they have on waivers. If someone they actually want to keep gets claimed, they simply pull him back and keep him. If someone they want to drop gets claimed, sweet, they're off the hook for what's left on his contract. If someone they want to trade gets claimed, then they can pull him back and have a certain window of time to work out a trade, but at least you know you have a semi-interested party on the other end of the line.

 

This is not news at all. All it tells us about the Red Sox' management is that they are doing the responsible thing putting their players on waivers, just like every other team will do.

 

Keep in mind that the trade deadline is really just the "non-waiver" deadline. That is, you can still trade guys post-July 31, but those players had to have cleared waivers first (or been claimed by the team you're trying to trade with). So if any team wants the flexibility to make *ANY* trade from this point on, they have to have sent their players through waivers. Again, standard operating procedure...everybody does it. Robinson Cano will almost certainly be put on waivers. Josh Hamilton will be put on waivers. Roy Halladay will be put on waivers.

But so far they have only put Crawford and Punto on waivers-- no one else.

[Orange Juiced]

But so far they have only put Crawford and Punto on waivers-- no one else.

 

They'll almost certainly add a bunch more guys to the list. Maybe not Pedroia, who they have NO intention of moving whatsoever, but I wouldn't be shocked if they put Gonzalez on waivers. Again, pretty standard stuff....nothing to see here.

[jung]

I know that OrangeJuiced but nobody is going to claim him. So all the Sox do in this instance is give up information. If there was even the tiniest bit of chance that someone would claim him them I would be fine with it...but nobody is going to claim him and there is no chance that someone will.

 

At least to this point we they could claim that they would like to move him if possible. Now Carl falls into the category of full disclosure...the team he plays for does not want him....at all.....

 

Even doing it with Manny a few years ago made more sense to me than this does. I thought there was at least the slim hope of somebody picking manny off the waiver wire.

 

Again if there was a tiny chance of someone claiming him I would be fine with it. Without that tiny chance it does nothing positive and likely makes it even more difficult to try to do something with Carl other than hang onto him...get him his surgery and hope for the best....good luck with that also.

[Orange Juiced]

See the bolded line from: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/red-sox-trade-targets-remain-deadline-fan-141100007--mlb.html:

 

"The Boston Red Sox could still be in the market to make trades, even though the Major League Baseball trade deadline passed on July 31. The team's recent hot streak, especially when paired with the struggles of the American League East Division leaders, the New York Yankees, might make it more likely that the Red Sox look for deals.

 

Players can be traded at any time. But after July 31, they must first pass through waivers. It is common for teams to pass almost the entire roster through waivers in the early days of August. If another team makes a claim, the Red Sox could choose to pull the player back and keep them for the rest of the season, try to work out a trade with the claiming team, or just let the player go to whoever claimed them."

[jung]

I could see doing Punto also and I could also see not pulling him back in if he is claimed.

[Orange Juiced]

I know that OrangeJuiced but nobody is going to claim him. So all the Sox do in this instance is give up information. If there was even the tiniest bit of chance that someone would claim him them I would be fine with it...but nobody is going to claim him and there is no chance that someone will.

 

At least to this point we they could claim that they would like to move him if possible. Now Carl falls into the category of full disclosure...the team he plays for does not want him....at all.....

 

Even doing it with Manny a few years ago made more sense to me than this does. I thought there was at least the slim hope of somebody picking manny off the waiver wire.

 

Again if there was a tiny chance of someone claiming him I would be fine with it. Without that tiny chance it does nothing positive and likely makes it even more difficult to try to do something with Carl other than hang onto him...get him his surgery and hope for the best....good luck with that also.

 

jung, if it's common for teams to pass almost their whole roster through waivers, then putting Crawford on doesn't give any information away at all. It is what every team in baseball expects the Red Sox to do.

[a700hitter]

You said he can't be worse than Cook. I'm pointing out that not only can he be worse than Cook, he *IS* worse than Cook. By a lot. But if you somehow managed to finish reading my post I suggested how the Sox should sign him to a minor league deal and try to straighten him out in Pawtucket. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, no big deal.

 

But the difference between an 8.80 era and a 5.24 era is enormous. Unless you think that three and a half runs per nine innings is meaningless.

 

If you didn't mean "he can't be worse than Cook" then please help improve communication by typing what you actually do mean. You can't say things that aren't hard to understand and then complain when people actually take your words to mean what they sure appear to say. Say what you mean, mean what you say. We'll all be better off.

Have you ever heard of a figure of speech? There comes a point where a players performance is unacceptable and he has to go. Lowe has reached that point with the Guardians, and I am hoping that Cook meets the same fate with the Red Sox. You are an incessant nit-picker. Stop it. They both suck. That's the point.

 

And I disagree with putting him in Pawtucket. Cut Cook's ass now. Bring Lowe here to see if he has any bullets left in his gun. If not, adios.

[a700hitter]

They'll almost certainly add a bunch more guys to the list. Maybe not Pedroia' date=' who they have NO intention of moving whatsoever, but I wouldn't be shocked if they put Gonzalez on waivers. Again, pretty standard stuff....nothing to see here.[/quote']But maybe they put Punto and Crawford on the list first for a reason. Otherwise, why not just submit the full list of names at the same time? I think it is reasonable to conclude that they are sending a message that they want to move these two guys.

[Orange Juiced]

Have you ever heard of a figure of speech? There comes a point where a players performance is unacceptable and he has to go. Lowe has reached that point with the Guardians, and I am hoping that Cook meets the same fate with the Red Sox. You are an incessant nit-picker. Stop it. They both suck. That's the point.

 

And I disagree with putting him in Pawtucket. Cut Cook's ass now. Bring Lowe here to see if he has any bullets left in his gun. If not, adios.

 

So let me get this straight. You'd rather put a 39-year old pitcher who in his last 12 games put up an 8.80 era and 1.96 whip, and who was cut by a crappy team because he sucks so badly directly into the Red Sox' starting rotation, instead of trying to sign him to Pawtucket to see if they can straighten him out first?

 

Holy crap.

[jung]

I could see a few more guys going up on waivers....not sure if there will be a ton of them but a few....the more likely that someone will take a guy and the more likely that you are not going to pull him back the more sense it makes. Punto does fall into the we are not going to pull him back category and somebody might take him....Aviles maybe.....Sweeney might have gone up there if he did not basically end his season I guess. I don't know that there are obvious candidates after those guys.

[a700hitter]

So let me get this straight. You'd rather put a 39-year old pitcher who in his last 12 games put up an 8.80 era and 1.96 whip, and who was cut by a crappy team because he sucks so badly directly into the Red Sox' starting rotation, instead of trying to sign him to Pawtucket to see if they can straighten him out first?

 

Holy crap.

He's in Fort Myers now. They can send someone to watch him pitch down there. They should be able to judge how he is throwing without putting him in a minor league game. Also, I didn't say that he should be thrown into the rotation. I said let's see if he has any bullets in his gun. Preferably, they should see this in a low leverage situation or two out of the pen. Holy crap back at you.

[jung]

I wonder if Shop would go up on waivers. I would bet they would pull him back if claimed. Not sure they want two totally defensive liabilities at this point and it would be hard to think of Salty and Lavs otherwise at this point.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

These new posters sure love to go for a700

[Laser Show]

Lowe is 39 and his numbers have been declining for years. The past 4 years he's been below a 100 ERA+. Sure, it'd be great for nostalgia to see him in a Red Sox uniform again, but he isn't going to help us anywhere.

[a700hitter]

These new posters sure love to go for a700

:lol: It gives me something to do.:lol:

[a700hitter]

Lowe is 39 and his numbers have been declining for years. The past 4 years he's been below a 100 ERA+. Sure' date=' it'd be great for nostalgia to see him in a Red Sox uniform again, but he isn't going to help us anywhere.[/quote']He probably has nothing left at all. He is in Ft. Myers working with Chris Correnti. The Sox have people down there. It can't hurt for someone to grab a gun and watch him throw. If he has nothing, they should be able to tell pretty quickly.

[jung]

They did DL Sweeney already right or did they not do that yet?