2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[Palodios]

I would not want to touch Cliff Lee with a stick, personally. He's 33 years old, and he has 112 million on his contract for the next four years. 28 million a year is ridiculous for ages 34-37 of a player who may already be slowing down. Unless the Red Sox dump Beckett or another big contract, it seems like a bad idea. Halladay is the guy you put up your chips for.

[redsoxrules]

The Phillies should be looking to lock up Hamels. This yr is a punt yr for the Phillies. Their two best hitters have missed the entire yr. Their best pitcher is on the shelf with a shoulder injury' date=' their 3rd ace has missed time with an oblique injury and their All Star CFer and SS have slumped this yr. They are probably not going to make the playoffs, but with the guys on their roster who should be healthy come 2013, they should dominate the east[/quote']

 

Do the Phillies even have the money to lock Hamels up ?

their payroll is very high

[Palodios]

It looks like there are a ton of good pitchers on bad teams this year. Most likely to be traded at the top.

 

Wandy Rodriguez

Garza

Hamels

Dempster

Greinke

Marcum

Anibal Sanchez

Lee

Gallardo

Trevor Cahill

Halladay

Felix Hernandez

[SoxFanForsyth]

It looks like there are a ton of good pitchers on bad teams this year. Most likely to be traded at the top.

 

Wandy Rodriguez

Garza

Hamels

Dempster

Greinke

Marcum

Anibal Sanchez

Lee

Gallardo

Trevor Cahill

Halladay

Felix Hernandez

 

The more I think about it, the more I think Grienke may be headed to Boston. It's a good fit, really.

 

The Sox already have 2 LHP, they don't need 3 in the rotation, especially at Fenway. Grienke is a FB pitcher who would really solidify the top of the rotation.

 

All this team is missing is 1 pitcher. That's it. If they can go out and get Grienke, Garza, or Hamels, they'll take the East.

 

Hell, they may very well take it right now.

[ellsburyforMVP]

It looks like there are a ton of good pitchers on bad teams this year. Most likely to be traded at the top.

 

Wandy Rodriguez

Garza

Hamels

Dempster

Greinke

Marcum

Anibal Sanchez

Lee

Gallardo

Trevor Cahill

Halladay

Felix Hernandez

 

 

I wouldn't mind Sanchez ( would take less to get him compared to some others ) but if we are gonna make a move for a former player that we traded to the marlins, I think we can all agree it rather be hanram

[Laser Show]

Cliff Lee is showing how multidimensional he is. Tonight he came in as a PH, he whiffed, but he did PH.

[Palodios]

The more I think about it, the more I think Grienke may be headed to Boston. It's a good fit, really.

 

The Sox already have 2 LHP, they don't need 3 in the rotation, especially at Fenway. Grienke is a FB pitcher who would really solidify the top of the rotation.

 

All this team is missing is 1 pitcher. That's it. If they can go out and get Grienke, Garza, or Hamels, they'll take the East.

 

Hell, they may very well take it right now.

 

I hesitate hard on spending big to get a three month rental. The Ryans and the killer B's should be considered untouchable for anyone not named Felix, Justin, Timmy or Clayton.

 

Wandy, Sanchez, and Marcum may be #2 type pitchers, but they still improve the rotation significantly, and don't completely jeopardize the team's future. They may be had for Ranaudo and change.

 

Hell, part of me still wants to blow it up, reap the benefits, and come in strong for 2013/2014 with a haul of prospects.

[SemperFi Sox]

The more I think about it, the more I think Grienke may be headed to Boston. It's a good fit, really.

 

The Sox already have 2 LHP, they don't need 3 in the rotation, especially at Fenway. Grienke is a FB pitcher who would really solidify the top of the rotation.

 

All this team is missing is 1 pitcher. That's it. If they can go out and get Grienke, Garza, or Hamels, they'll take the East.

 

Hell, they may very well take it right now.

 

It's really a horrible fit actually, he's always had Boston and New York on his no trade list. He's dealt with sever anxiety in the past and that was when he was playing in KC. He could not handle Boston.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I hesitate hard on spending big to get a three month rental. The Ryans and the killer B's should be considered untouchable for anyone not named Felix, Justin, Timmy or Clayton.

 

Wandy, Sanchez, and Marcum may be #2 type pitchers, but they still improve the rotation significantly, and don't completely jeopardize the team's future. They may be had for Ranaudo and change.

 

Hell, part of me still wants to blow it up, reap the benefits, and come in strong for 2013/2014 with a haul of prospects.

 

You're probably right. Wandy would be a good pick up. Marcum, I'm hesitant on just because I don't like soft throwers. If their location is off even a little, it's a mash fest.

 

As for the blow it up idea - I think this all stems from the fact that the Red Sox have had basically zero impact young players come through the system and help out the big league team since, what, 2007 with Ellsbury??

 

I mean Lowrie came up in 08, but that was not exactly a big deal. This team has just been too veteran-filled. Good teams always have an infusion of youth with them. Guys that keep the energy up, but can also make a big impact.

 

That's why I think this year may be something special for the Red Sox. They've got an almost perfect storm of veterans and youth. Doubront, Middlebrooks, Kalish, Nava. Ortiz, Gonzalez, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Crawford.

 

This is the kind of team that you need. I think we're all really craving that infusion of significant, high quality young talent because we haven't had anyone like that in so long. But blowing it up isn't worth it. You still need those veterans on the club, just as much as you need the young guys.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It's really a horrible fit actually' date=' he's always had Boston and New York on his no trade list. He's dealt with sever anxiety in the past and that was when he was playing in KC. He could not handle Boston.[/quote']

 

The whole anxiety issue is such a cop out.

 

I remember hearing this s*** whenever the Yankees were interested in him when he ultimately went to the Brewers. It's ********. He may have had anxiety in the past, but that means nothing when it comes to whether or not he can perform in Boston.

 

Everyone likes to think that the Boston media is some huge scary monster and not everyone can play here because there's pressure to win.

 

Well s*** guys. How the f*** does a guy end up in the MLB if he can't handle the pressure of winning.

 

It's ********.

[SemperFi Sox]

The whole anxiety issue is such a cop out.

 

I remember hearing this s*** whenever the Yankees were interested in him when he ultimately went to the Brewers. It's ********. He may have had anxiety in the past, but that means nothing when it comes to whether or not he can perform in Boston.

 

Everyone likes to think that the Boston media is some huge scary monster and not everyone can play here because there's pressure to win.

 

Well s*** guys. How the f*** does a guy end up in the MLB if he can't handle the pressure of winning.

 

It's ********.

 

Says someone obviously ignorant of anxiety and how it affects someone, it's hardly "********"

 

It almost ended his career, it's not something to take so lightly.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Says someone obviously ignorant of anxiety and how it affects someone, it's hardly "********"

 

It almost ended his career, it's not something to take so lightly.

 

It's ******** that Boston would affect it any more than anywhere else.

[SoxSport]

The Yankees now have two starters DLed--Pettite and CC. They will be in the market for a pitcher tommorrow.

[SemperFi Sox]

It's ******** that Boston would affect it any more than anywhere else.

 

LMAO

 

So there is no more pressure in Boston than there is in KC? Oh really that's interesting. He had trouble stepping on the f***ing mound with the Royals.

[SoxFanForsyth]

LMAO

 

So there is no more pressure in Boston than there is in KC? Oh really that's interesting. He had trouble stepping on the f***ing mound with the Royals.

 

Yeah. So much trouble that he won the Cy Young.

 

Heaps of trouble last year with the Brewers who won the NL Central with Prince and Braun, but probably no pressure there.

 

His anxiety would have more to do with the people he's surrounded by than the media.

 

i.e. Bob McClure. Maybe you've heard of him. He's kind of our pitching coach. He kind of came from Kansas City.

[redsoxbeatz]

Anxiety?? So why does Grienke EVER deserve a big contract?? If he pisses himself due to anxiety playing for the Royals/Brewers in a regular f***ing season game... How does he ever plan to win a championship?? Why even play a professional sport?? He should be a clothes salesman.

 

I agree, copout. I want Greinke regardless. If he has anxiety issues during the 3+ mo rental than bring it up during $ discussion and sign him for less.

 

Anxiety! Pssssh.

 

Greinke is our guy go get 'em!!

[Palodios]

 

This is the kind of team that you need. I think we're all really craving that infusion of significant, high quality young talent because we haven't had anyone like that in so long. But blowing it up isn't worth it. You still need those veterans on the club, just as much as you need the young guys.

 

I'm not necessarily saying to get rid of all the veterans. I'm convinced that the Beckett situation will only grow worse and worse as the year goes on, and getting rid of him will allow Lester to step into a role as the leader of the pitching staff, and open up money for one of the other elite pitchers available next year. Cody Ross is so cheap, and so effective that he may return an elite prospect from a low budget contender. Shoppach-- one year contract, gives Lavarnway his shot. Albers could be attractive to a team looking for some relief help.

 

I'm just not convinced that their ability to put up big numbers against bad pitching is going to get them to a World Series. Their starting pitching has been shameful this year. There isn't a pitcher on that rotation that I trust right now.

 

I just get the feeling that they have a lot of good trade pieces that aren't going to be a big part of their future, and this may be a good bridge year between the 2011 collapse, and the 2013-17 dynasty.

[Palodios]

Yeah. So much trouble that he won the Cy Young.

 

Heaps of trouble last year with the Brewers who won the NL Central with Prince and Braun, but probably no pressure there.

 

His anxiety would have more to do with the people he's surrounded by than the media.

 

i.e. Bob McClure. Maybe you've heard of him. He's kind of our pitching coach. He kind of came from Kansas City.

 

The Red Sox have been getting more heat than any other team in the majors though. If Greinke has 2-3 bad starts early, it will snowball, and it could worsen. He also might not even want to sign with the sox, after everything that has happened.

[redsoxbeatz]

The Red Sox have been getting more heat than any other team in the majors though. If Greinke has 2-3 bad starts early' date=' it will snowball, and it could worsen. He also might not even want to sign with the sox, after everything that has happened.[/quote']

 

We're making Greinke sound like such a big fat pussy. All this anxiety talk makes it seem like he struggles to even make it to the mound each start. We're blowing this way out of proportion.

 

Yea, SADisorder is serious but I think he do it. He doesn't have to talk to the media. The guy in the clubhouse are great supportive teammates. If he is awesome for us, Boston fans will make him feel very good.

[redsoxbeatz]

"Baseball, in my opinion, would be a lot better if you could just make the same salary as everybody else in the world and you don't deal with any of the other stuff," Greinke said. "But that's not how it is. The main thing is I want to pitch against the best players in the world, and you can't do that playing in a pickup baseball league in your town."

Greinke

 

boom! he is the type of guy who will take less money to win it big.

 

Boston is his home. Just sign him to a Lincecum type deal.

[example1]

I just remember in the offseason discussion saying that the Sox should stay away from Gio Gonzalez because some of his numbers weren't ideal, he was merely mediocre in a few areas, etc.,. Now, watching him, it is obvious that the kid can throw and any team who has him is better off.

 

My point isn't that Greinke is Gio, or vice versa. It's that if a kid can throw they can throw. I'm a mental health professional. I know all about anxiety. I know it is real. I also know the Sox could use a good pitcher and should seriously consider every one that is available because there aren't that many former Cy Young award winners available right now. They should do their due diligence. If Greinke doesn't think he can do it, then they should avoid him. But if he thinks that he can, by all means don't hesitate. Perhaps he's matured now that he's out of KC and a bit older.

[a700hitter]

I just remember in the offseason discussion saying that the Sox should stay away from Gio Gonzalez because some of his numbers weren't ideal, he was merely mediocre in a few areas, etc.,. Now, watching him, it is obvious that the kid can throw and any team who has him is better off.

 

My point isn't that Greinke is Gio, or vice versa. It's that if a kid can throw they can throw. I'm a mental health professional. I know all about anxiety. I know it is real. I also know the Sox could use a good pitcher and should seriously consider every one that is available because there aren't that many former Cy Young award winners available right now. They should do their due diligence. If Greinke doesn't think he can do it, then they should avoid him. But if he thinks that he can, by all means don't hesitate. Perhaps he's matured now that he's out of KC and a bit older.

As a mental health professional, isn't it true that anxiety problems can be managed and often the problems do not recur in a debilitating way. Other times, it does recur but can be managed with medication and therapy to keep a person productive in their lives and careers. The fact that Greinke had a severe or acute bout of anxiety earlier in his life does not mean that he is weak mentally or that he is more susceptible to a debilitating experience with anxiety disorder.

 

And you were wrong about Gio. I don't think the guys traded for him presented a prohibitive price. Gio signed a very reasonable contract extension. He's not making much more money than Bobby Jenks. I thought he was pretty good, but after seeing him at Fenway this season, I realized that i too had underestimated him. I think he will improve over the next several seasons, and he is pretty damn good already. He throws harder than I had thought.

[a700hitter]

The Phillies should be looking to lock up Hamels. This yr is a punt yr for the Phillies. Their two best hitters have missed the entire yr. Their best pitcher is on the shelf with a shoulder injury' date=' their 3rd ace has missed time with an oblique injury and their All Star CFer and SS have slumped this yr. They are probably not going to make the playoffs, but with the guys on their roster who should be healthy come 2013, they should dominate the east[/quote']Utley is back and he hit a HR tonight. Ryan Howard will start his rehab assignment on Thursday. The Phillies are in a division where it will be easier to pick up ground than the ALE. I don't see them selling. Not at all.

[a700hitter]

Benny should forget about Hamels. That is not going to happen. the Phillies are not ready to throw in the towel. They are priming to make a run. He should look at the Cubs for Garza or Dempster. He'll be making a mistake if he thinks he has lots of other options.

[Brown28]

Benny should forget about Hamels. That is not going to happen. the Phillies are not ready to throw in the towel. They are priming to make a run. He should look at the Cubs for Garza or Dempster. He'll be making a mistake if he thinks he has lots of other options.

 

Yes Philly is gonna try and make a run. That doesn't necessarily mean Hamels is untouchable.

 

Ross and Nava plus prospect X for Hamels.

 

Who says no?

[Spitball]

Yes Philly is gonna try and make a run. That doesn't necessarily mean Hamels is untouchable.

 

Ross and Nava plus prospect X for Hamels.

 

Who says no?

 

With all the other contenders needing pitching, I doubt the Phillies go for a journeyman outfielder, a fourth outfielder, and a mere prospect. The Prospect would have to be a 1 through 10 which the Sox don't have.

[Brown28]

With all the other contenders needing pitching' date=' I doubt the Phillies go for a journeyman outfielder, a fourth outfielder, and a mere prospect. The Prospect would have to be a 1 through 10 which the Sox don't have.[/quote']

 

Ross is a quality player which will give them offense and depth that we dont need but they do. Nava is an on base machine and helps them get younger. So maybe two prospects and some cash to help their payroll. I think it's a good deal and better than what the Yankees who are the other team who needs SP as badly as we do can offer.

[a700hitter]

Ross is a quality player which will give them offense and depth that we dont need but they do. Nava is an on base machine and helps them get younger. So maybe two prospects and some cash to help their payroll. I think it's a good deal and better than what the Yankees who are the other team who needs SP as badly as we do can offer.

They have Pence and Victorino in their OF where would both Ross and Nava fit on the Phillies?

[seabeachfred]

The more I think about it, the more I think Grienke may be headed to Boston. It's a good fit, really.

 

The Sox already have 2 LHP, they don't need 3 in the rotation, especially at Fenway. Grienke is a FB pitcher who would really solidify the top of the rotation.

 

All this team is missing is 1 pitcher. That's it. If they can go out and get Grienke, Garza, or Hamels, they'll take the East.

 

Hell, they may very well take it right now.

 

I usually agree with you Forsyth; not this time. Grienk has anxiety issues and that would be quadrupled if he played in Boston. One or two bad games and the fans and press would be all over him and the risk of him going into a shell would be magnified. I agree he has a helluva lot of talent out there on the mound but by now it has to be obvious that there are guys who can play in Boston and New York and there are those guys who cannot play in Boston and New York. And Grienke is one of them.

[seabeachfred]

Yes Philly is gonna try and make a run. That doesn't necessarily mean Hamels is untouchable.

 

Ross and Nava plus prospect X for Hamels.

 

Who says no?

 

I say no Brown---and not because I wouldn't want such a trade to go through. I just don't think the Phillies would accept Ross and Nava for him UNLESS that X prospect was Baergots (sic) and even then we would have to drop either Ross or Nava and add another prospect to the pile. Two decently good prospects and one veteran might do it, but I really can't see the Phillies doing it. They have shown a willingness to spend and spend big and unlike the Red Sox they will not pull back their money every other year. The Phillies will spend what they need to do every year and something tells me they will go all out to resign Hamels. Still I would love to have that lefthander because we need a drop dead ace and we don't have one now.