2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[SoxFanForsyth]

I think Theo is going to look for a Barnes and Ranaudo package to start. Just like I think he'd ask for a Banuelos and Sanchez package to start.

 

Well Theo can get the hell out. No chance I deal Barnes for anyone that isn't a certified ace with some future control.

[Station 13]

What would the A's want for Brandon McCarthy?

[jacksonianmarch]

What would the A's want for Brandon McCarthy?

 

Probably one solid prospect and a few other guys with some potential. I'd stay the hell away from him, though. Injury waiting to happen and a low BABIP with low K rate equals bad ju-ju in Fenway

[SoxFanForsyth]

What would the A's want for Brandon McCarthy?

 

Good question. They really want a corner IF prospect. He's a FA next season, though, so they can't demand too much.

 

I would definitely go Lars Anderson + a mid level guy for McCarthy. Beane is obsessed with Lars for his OBP.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Probably one solid prospect and a few other guys with some potential. I'd stay the hell away from him' date=' though. Injury waiting to happen and a low BABIP with low K rate equals bad ju-ju in Fenway[/quote']

 

Yeah just looked at his career stats. They aren't exactly exciting. High ERA against good hitting teams.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lars doesnt do it SFF. He's not longer a trade chip. My guess is an offense first player without humongous projection (like Brentz) and a B level pitcher (like Alex Wilson). He is technically their ace and is having another good season. I just think he'd die in Fenway

[SoxFan02]

Maybe you better read more carefully yourself. He may have started the season in the CL' date=' but he roared through two classifications and started a game for the Red Sox in the summer of 2007 in Chicago (he won). As for Middlebrooks, you're full of crap. I see his AB's and see someone who most certainly doesn't need any more damn seasoning. On the inside pitch he quickly brings his hands in and attacks the ball square. Hence the ball is not a long four but a seed down the line. I've seen him do that numerous times in his "56" AB's. Today if you had your goggles on right you would have seen how he went the o ther way and boomed one over the RF's head for a two out clutch RBI. This is guy is the real thing and has the maturity and moxie to make it big. Sorry my friend but I know a big league hitter when I see one and this guy is one.[/quote']

 

I am reading carefully, your thinking of 2008 not 07. Middlebrooks only saw 9 pitches in three plate appearances, I know he can crush everything on the inner half of the plate but he has no clue how to work a count. I also have no idea how you can possibly judge "moxie" or why a guy with two world series rings doesn't have it but a kid that's been hot for a month does. I'm not saying that Middlebrooks won't be a great player and if we are arguing whether it should be Youk or Middlebrooks after this season I would probably agree with you but for now it would be detrimental to this teams chances and the development of Middlebrooks if we throw him out there without a safety net so quickly.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lars doesnt do it SFF. He's not longer a trade chip. My guess is an offense first player without humongous projection (like Brentz) and a B level pitcher (like Alex Wilson). He is technically their ace and is having another good season. I just think he'd die in Fenway

 

Lars basically had it done for Harden last year, which is essentially what McCarthy is this year. He's a bit injury prone, with some good upside. But again, I looked at his stats, and I'm weary of him. We've already got a sinkerballer in Aaron Cook.

[jacksonianmarch]

Plate discipline is something you learn in the minors and then have to re-learn in the bigs.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lars basically had it done for Harden last year' date=' which is essentially what McCarthy is this year. He's a bit injury prone, with some good upside. But again, I looked at his stats, and I'm weary of him. We've already got a sinkerballer in Aaron Cook.[/quote']

 

McCarthy had a mostly healthy campaign last yr and put up pretty good numbers. Harden wasnt coming off that kind of success.

[Palodios]

Probably one solid prospect and a few other guys with some potential. I'd stay the hell away from him' date=' though. Injury waiting to happen and a low BABIP with low K rate equals bad ju-ju in Fenway[/quote']

 

Well, technically, he IS currently injured:lol:

 

He was decent when he was in Texas. I'd take a look, but he's probably worth more to Oakland than he is to the Red Sox.

[jacksonianmarch]

No, he came back and won today. He's back

[Palodios]

No' date=' he came back and won today. He's back[/quote']

 

Oh, Yahoo sports is wrong then. My point being-- I agree that he is an injury risk.

[jacksonianmarch]

He definitely is, and someone will definitely overpay for him. The thing we all need to remember is that there is typically a dearth of starters available at the deadline. McCarthy will be one of the better ones there. He's gonna be an overpay. Garza will likely be the best one available. It will be a huge overpay.

[SoxSport]

Could be a competition with the Yankees for Garza. My guess is Epstein will trade with the Sox after he ups the price. They have some useful prospects for Epstein. Maybe even Youkilis.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Could be a competition with the Yankees for Garza. My guess is Epstein will trade with the Sox after he ups the price. They have some useful prospects for Epstein. Maybe even Youkilis.

 

Why would the Cubs want Youkilis?? That makez zero sense. Maybe less.

[jacksonianmarch]

Could be a competition with the Yankees for Garza. My guess is Epstein will trade with the Sox after he ups the price. They have some useful prospects for Epstein. Maybe even Youkilis.

 

The Cubs have no reason to take on Youkilis. Theo has an opportunity to do something he wanted to do in Boston. Blow it all up. When he sticks to his roots, he can actually build a team. When he gets a blank check, he gets too big for his britches and hamstrings a team. If I were him, I'd also deal Castro before the guy gets destroyed by his off the field activities and pair him with Soriano's contract while also getting some big time prospects.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The Cubs have no reason to take on Youkilis. Theo has an opportunity to do something he wanted to do in Boston. Blow it all up. When he sticks to his roots' date=' he can actually build a team. When he gets a blank check, he gets too big for his britches and hamstrings a team. If I were him, I'd also deal Castro before the guy gets destroyed by his off the field activities and pair him with Soriano's contract while also getting some big time prospects.[/quote']

 

Castro would bring an absolute fortune in prospects.

[jacksonianmarch]

Castro would bring an absolute fortune in prospects.

 

He would, which is why you pair the Soriano contract and you get out from under that terrible decision by Jim Hendry.

[example1]

Hey Jacko,

Just so I understand, Banuelos is untouchable in your eyes? Or just for a guy like Garza? I probably agree with you that Garza is right on the fence as a guy who isn't quite a #1 pitcher, but who could be really, really valuable in the short term.

 

Banuelos, for everything you have praised in him the past few years, has a career WHIP of 1.3 in the minors and has been sitting in the 1.5-1.6 range the past 140 IP in 2011 and 2012.

 

Don't get me wrong, I realize just how under-age he is at AAA (like seriously under age) but until he puts it all together is he really untouchable? Seems a bit of a stretch, but I don't know his scouting report well.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's untouchable for me like Barnes is for you. He is a 21 yr old lefty with 3 plus pitches who throws mid 90s. His change and curve are things of beauty. His WHIP being 1.3 and higher this past yr is mostly due to a jump in velocity. He has lost some command by his velo gain.

[SoxFanForsyth]

He's untouchable for me like Barnes is for you. He is a 21 yr old lefty with 3 plus pitches who throws mid 90s. His change and curve are things of beauty. His WHIP being 1.3 and higher this past yr is mostly due to a jump in velocity. He has lost some command by his velo gain.

 

Barnes has no business being in A ball right now. Both he and Bradley should be in Portland right now.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am not sure what they are waiting on. They will gain more by struggling in AA than they will by having their way with A+ ball

[evilhand]

Barnes should get promoted soon. He's not being challenged at all right now. I'm really curious to see how he does against AA hitters.

[jacksonianmarch]

I know that Yankee prospects have specific things they need to accomplish to be promoted in-season. Hence why Sanchez is repeating a level he hit well at and Austin is still in A

[SoxFanForsyth]

Barnes should get promoted soon. He's not being challenged at all right now. I'm really curious to see how he does against AA hitters.

 

His stuff is just completely overpowering in A ball. It's not at all indicative of how he's pitching because he's able to miss down the middle with a 98 mph FB and get away with it, and buckle knees on a curveball that is hung.

[jacksonianmarch]

His stuff is just completely overpowering in A ball. It's not at all indicative of how he's pitching because he's able to miss down the middle with a 98 mph FB and get away with it' date=' and buckle knees on a curveball that is hung.[/quote']

 

exactly. Sometimes dominance can make a pitcher lazy.

[Station 13]

His stuff is just completely overpowering in A ball. It's not at all indicative of how he's pitching because he's able to miss down the middle with a 98 mph FB and get away with it' date=' and buckle knees on a curveball that is hung.[/quote']

 

His 8 walks to 78Ks is amazing though.

[SoxFanForsyth]

His 8 walks to 78Ks is amazing though.

 

Absolutely, another reason why he should be in AA.

[seabeachfred]

You also said Lavs didn't need more time in AAA, but he's not doing all that hot down there. Do you think he's still the real deal because of 2 HRs last year and is just not performing because he's too good for Pawtucket?

 

I'm not trying to be bitchy, just an honest question. Is he languishing like you thought Bowden did?

 

I have always believed that when the time came for a young player to be called up, it was time for him to be called up....PERIOD!!!!!! I think they did Lavarnway a real disservice by keeping him down for another year and it may have stunted him. That is my opinion. He is every bit as good a defensive catcher as Satalamacchia and with some experience in playing the outfield it might have been a good idea to test him out there in the Spring to see if he could handle playing out there as well as starting out as backup catcher. Now I don't know what is going on inside his head but if he feels that he has been misused it could stunt him. I hope not but the Red Sox have been very reluctant to promote their prospects in recent years and some of them langish in the minors. I hope Ryan comes around and has a big year, but he had a big one last season and should have been promoted this year. Again, this is my opinion.