5/18 @ Phillies

[BornToRun]

Its 4.93 right now. Are you happy with that? Is that the kind of ERA that will get this TEAM back into contention?

 

When it's weighted by one bad inning in a start he began with 4.30 then yeah, maybe. He's had some great starts this year. He's still getting the hang of it. I thank god that the management on this team isn't as reactionary as you are.

[Station 13]

bard post games comments:

 

"I was trying be too fine."

[Laser Show]

I trust Lester and Beckett right now, everyone else is a toss up.

[BornToRun]

OOPS...its 5.12 now. And climbing.

This experiment should be over.

 

In may. When he's shown that he has potential as a starter.

[markj]

Well, Mark. Welcome over.

Too bad it is starting this way.

 

Thanks, Pumps. Glad to see some posting going on here. I was getting tired of talking to myself on the other board. Although Muggah and Bo are there tonight.

[mvp 78]

really? LOLOLOL. You're an idiot.

 

Trust me, I'm a doctor. DiceK won't be back til September.

 

LOL. Yeah, I'm the idiot.

[Station 13]

Bard has too many moving parts in his windup.

[BornToRun]

I trust Lester and Beckett right now' date=' everyone else is a toss up.[/quote']

 

Even if we lose tonight, we have Lester vs fat Blanton and Beckett is going to outduel cliff lee.

[BornToRun]

Trust me, I'm a doctor. DiceK won't be back til September.

 

LOL. Yeah, I'm the idiot.

 

Hey man, you have to admit that he was right about pinedas phantom arm injury. Oh wait, no he wasnt.

[mvp 78]

Its 4.93 right now. Are you happy with that? Is that the kind of ERA that will get this TEAM back into contention?

 

And Oswalt will be better? I'm notsure about that.

[BornToRun]

I trust Lester and Beckett right now' date=' everyone else is a toss up.[/quote']

 

Doubront?

[jacksonianmarch]

guys, stop using ERA.

 

Here is the deal here. Bard as a reliever is a dominant force to be reckoned with. Bard in the rotation is a guy with reduced power and no stamina. A guy throwing 98 doesnt have to be as fine. A guy throwing 92 does. I think the Bard project would have been considered a success had he shown continued power (ie high K/9IP) even in the setting of poor command. The low K's and the progressively lower velocity makes me think this isnt going to end well. Most people on here thought Bard would be a guy throwing mid 90s with a knockout slider. Well, he's throwing low 90s with a loopy slurve type slider. His stuff and command have taken a hit and his production has suffered. I think it might be time for him to move back to the role he dominated in.

[jung]

Well I think Bard has done fine as a 5th starter. I do think that if there is one thing that I have noticed the longer he goes into the season it is that I have come to the conclusion right or wrong that this has been and is less about giving Bard an opportunity to learn to start and work his way farther into a rotation spot and more about the Sox just wanting to get innings out of him as the 5th starter.

 

The Sox really did not have a good option at the start of the season. Cook was not ready, Padilla was surely not ready at the start of the season and likely is not ready to start now. If I saw more of an effort by the coaching staff to work with Bard I might feel otherwise and I could easily be wrong about this. It just seems to me that they are not doing nearly enough to help Bard along and help him progress. He seems pretty much on his own out there.

[Laser Show]

And Oswalt will be better? I'm notsure about that.

 

Oswalt has never, ever pitched this bad. It's safe to assume he'd be an upgrade

[FredLynn]

When it's weighted by one bad inning in a start he began with 4.30 then yeah' date=' maybe. He's had some great starts this year. He's still getting the hang of it. I thank god that the management on this team isn't as reactionary as you are.[/quote']

 

We do not have the leeway this year to allow this experiment to continue-if we would like to make some sort of a run at it.

If we signed Oswalt, who do you really think is going to the pen? Doubront? Nope. His ERA is 4.09. The big 3? Nope. Not gonna happen. If we sign Oswalt, as we should, its Bard who will be back in the pen. If the team is better next year from a pitching standpoint, then maybe we give him one more shot.

[Station 13]

Well at least Bard doesn't take 40 second like Buchholz to throw a pitch.

[jacksonianmarch]

Trust me, I'm a doctor. DiceK won't be back til September.

 

LOL. Yeah, I'm the idiot.

 

You obviously cannot read. I said most pitchers come back within 12 months, but the recovery for a starter's stamina and stuff to return is 18 months. I said he will not be the previous DiceK until September, and with his minor league stats thus far, I am right to this point. I also said that relievers usually can return to dominance faster since they dont have to throw multiple innings.

[Laser Show]

Doubront?

 

Doubront has been average. He's hit or miss every 5th day. He only looks so good because we're parading out Buchholz and Bard every few days

[BornToRun]

We do not have the leeway this year to allow this experiment to continue-if we would like to make some sort of a run at it.

If we signed Oswalt, who do you really think is going to the pen? Doubront? Nope. His ERA is 4.09. The big 3? Nope. Not gonna happen. If we sign Oswalt, as we should, its Bard who will be back in the pen. If the team is better next year from a pitching standpoint, then maybe we give him one more shot.

 

You just love throwing money at this teams problems.

[Station 13]

At least Bard change is now an excellent pitch. it gets the groundballs.

[BornToRun]

Doubront has been average. He's hit or miss every 5th day. He only looks so good because we're parading out Buchholz and Bard every few days

 

We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one. He's been very good out of the 4 spot so far.

[jacksonianmarch]

You just love throwing money at this teams problems.

 

For a one yr problem, it is the way big money teams win. But on a long term deal, it doesnt make sense.

[FredLynn]

Thanks' date=' Pumps. Glad to see some posting going on here. I was getting tired of talking to myself on the other board. Although Muggah and Bo are there tonight.[/quote']

 

Its an active game thread. Lots of different opinions here. Jacksonianmarch is a Yankees fan, just so you know, but he's cool too. The rest of us are die-hard Sox fans, no matter what Born to Run says

[BornToRun]

Its an active game thread. Lots of different opinions here. Jacksonianmarch is a Yankees fan' date=' just so you know, but he's cool too. The rest of us are die-hard Sox fans, no matter what Born to Run says [/quote']

 

Says the guy who gives up on games after 1 inning.

[FredLynn]

Doubront has been average. He's hit or miss every 5th day. He only looks so good because we're parading out Buchholz and Bard every few days

 

I will take a #4 SP with an ERA of 4.09 any day.

[mvp 78]

Oswalt has never' date=' ever pitched this bad. It's safe to assume he'd be an upgrade[/quote']

 

That's a horrible assumption for an aging and injured pitcher.

[FredLynn]

Says the guy who gives up on games after 1 inning.

 

Just stating my opinion dude.

Its going to be very very tough to beat Hamels now.

We have a better chance tomorrow and Sunday.

[BornToRun]

That's a horrible assumption for an aging and injured pitcher.

 

Who's never had to pitch in our division.

[d-money]

f***ing sick of this team and its inconsistency!!It will be june and this team will still be under 500!!Thats what happens when u get off to a s***** start in april!

[markj]

Wow, a glimmer of hope.