JD Drew

[Emmz]

2007, 2010, and 2011 combined...

 

1192AB 175R 303H 60-2B 7-3B 46HR 172BB .254/.348/.432 good for a .780OPS out of your starting RFer, in a big market, in the AL East. For 3 seasons, he was invisible. For 1 season he was awesome. For another season, he was awesome for 109 games. He was below average offensively in 60% of his seasons.

 

You're factoring 2011 in. This isn't about 2011, this is about 2007-2010.

 

He had above average OPS in 4 all of those years. 2 of those years were of 900 OPS. Stop trying to spin it. He had an .850 OPS from 2007-2011.

[redsoxrules]

2007, 2010, and 2011 combined...

 

1192AB 175R 303H 60-2B 7-3B 46HR 172BB .254/.348/.432 good for a .780OPS out of your starting RFer, in a big market, in the AL East. For 3 seasons, he was invisible. For 1 season he was awesome. For another season, he was awesome for 109 games. He was below average offensively in 60% of his seasons.

 

Nice cherry picking stats

 

what about the 2008 and 2009 seasons ? funny how you left that out .

[SCM33]

You're factoring 2011 in. This isn't about 2011, this is about 2007-2010.

 

He had above average OPS in 4 all of those years. 2 of those years were of 900 OPS. Stop trying to spin it. He had an .850 OPS from 2007-2011.

 

Emmz, thats cherry picking stats.

 

You cannot disregard his 2011 season just because it works against your argument.

[SCM33]

Nice cherry picking stats

 

what about the 2008 and 2009 seasons ? funny how you left that out .

 

Wait, didnt see jacksonian did that.

 

Why are we not including every season he played here?

 

Stop picking and choosing which stats you want to include everyone....THEY ALL COUNTED.

[redsoxrules]

I just did.

 

No you didn't . compile his 2008 and 2009 numbers and get back to me .

 

Drew had an OPS as a red sox of 825 ( including his las year witch was awfull )

 

Take last year out and its damn good

[SCM33]

No you didn't . compile his 2008 and 2009 numbers and get back to me .

 

Drew had an OPS as a red sox of 825 ( including his las year witch was awfull )

 

Take last year out and its damn good

 

Again....

 

they all counted.

[SCM33]

You're factoring 2011 in. This isn't about 2011, this is about 2007-2010.

 

He had above average OPS in 4 all of those years. 2 of those years were of 900 OPS. Stop trying to spin it. He had an .850 OPS from 2007-2011.

 

 

Above average...I can give you.

 

Not elite.

[redsoxrules]

ONLY 1 RF HAD A HIGHER OPS THAN 825 THIS YEAR IN THE AMERICAN LEAGUE .

ONLY 3 THE YEAR BEFORE .

 

That tells you right there we had one of the best playing that position.

[redsoxrules]

Above average...I can give you.

 

Not elite.

 

 

Give me a list of better RF in the AL in the last 5 years , do it .

I guarantee the list will be short. Very short

[jacksonianmarch]

2007- 11 players qualified as RFers, Drew was 8th in OPS

2008- Drew didnt qualify due to injury, but he would have been 2nd

2009- Drew was #1

2010- Drew was 7th out of 10

2011- Didnt qualify, but would have been last

 

For 3 of his 5 yrs, he was significantly below average. For two of those seasons, he was phenomenal.

[SCM33]

^He did it for me. ^

[redsoxrules]

2007- 11 players qualified as RFers, Drew was 8th in OPS

2008- Drew didnt qualify due to injury, but he would have been 2nd

2009- Drew was #1

2010- Drew was 7th out of 10

2011- Didnt qualify, but would have been last

 

For 3 of his 5 yrs, he was significantly below average. For two of those seasons, he was phenomenal.

 

get the average for RF in the last 5 years and get back to me

I'd like to see how many RF in the last 5 years and have an average of 825 OPS and above

[Elktonnick]

You're factoring 2011 in. This isn't about 2011, this is about 2007-2010.

 

He had above average OPS in 4 all of those years. 2 of those years were of 900 OPS. Stop trying to spin it. He had an .850 OPS from 2007-2011.

 

Offensive powerhouse, He had 2 and half good years out of five. He had one outstanding month. He was inconsistent except defensively. He went steadily downhill after 09. He wouldn't play hurt and he didn't give a s***. You can't eliminate one whole year out five and say that doesn't count. No fair analyst ever called Drew's overall play elite. He'll go down as another average ball player who could have, should have, but didn't play up to expectations, mediocre in the end.

[jacksonianmarch]

So if a player signs for 5 yrs, has one elite season healthy, one elite but injured season, 2 below average seasons and one horrible season, does that mean he was great?

[redsoxrules]

^He did it for me. ^

 

Nope try again

[Emmz]

Wait, didnt see jacksonian did that.

 

Why are we not including every season he played here?

 

Stop picking and choosing which stats you want to include everyone....THEY ALL COUNTED.

 

No, that's the discussion we're having. It was established when I started discussing the first 4 years, very clearly on the first page.

 

No one's disputing his 5th year was junk, no one's disputing that he has overall not honored the value of his contract. The discussion is whether or not he honored it in his first four years when he was healthy. You guys want to add the 5th year, but there's no point of doing that when even the best Drew defender could never ever defend that.

[redsoxrules]

So if a player signs for 5 yrs' date=' has one elite season healthy, one elite but injured season, 2 below average seasons and one horrible season, does that mean he was great?[/quote']

 

The overall numbers dont lie

[Elktonnick]

No, that's the discussion we're having. It was established when I started discussing the first 4 years, very clearly on the first page.

 

No one's disputing his 5th year was junk, no one's disputing that he has overall not honored the value of his contract. The discussion is whether or not he honored it in his first four years when he was healthy. You guys want to add the 5th year, but there's no point of doing that when even the best Drew defender could never ever defend that.

 

It is hard to defend the indefensible.

[jacksonianmarch]

get the average for RF in the last 5 years and get back to me

I'd like to see how many RF in the last 5 years and have an average of 825 OPS and above

 

See, that's stupid. You got locked in with Drew and got 1.6 seasons of excellence and 3.4 seasons of injury/ineffectiveness and you are averaging it out. It doesnt work that way. It's a 5 yr contract. You expect him to play to an above average to elite level every season. Just because he exceeded expectations for 1 season plus and failed expectations the rest doesnt mean you average it out and then say it was a good move.

[jacksonianmarch]

The overall numbers dont lie

 

You are hiding behind the average without acknowledging that for 60% of his contract, he was below average.

[redsoxrules]

See' date=' that's stupid. You got locked in with Drew and got 1.6 seasons of excellence and 3.4 seasons of injury/ineffectiveness and you are averaging it out. It doesnt work that way. It's a 5 yr contract. You expect him to play to an above average to elite level every season. Just because he exceeded expectations for 1 season plus and failed expectations the rest doesnt mean you average it out and then say it was a good move.[/quote']

 

Players have bad seasons here and there, unless you're name is Albert Pujols .

 

He also provided 4 big hits at the top my head in the post season ( there's proble more )

[Emmz]

So if a player signs for 5 yrs' date=' has one elite season healthy, one elite but injured season, 2 below average seasons and one horrible season, does that mean he was great?[/quote']

 

You're putting words into everyone's mouth, and manipulating the stats very signifcantly. Why are you so afraid to show the average OPS, instead of 'qualifying RFers'? I'm pretty sure there's more than 10 players in the league, and more than 10 RFers in the league.

[jacksonianmarch]

No, that's the discussion we're having. It was established when I started discussing the first 4 years, very clearly on the first page.

 

No one's disputing his 5th year was junk, no one's disputing that he has overall not honored the value of his contract. The discussion is whether or not he honored it in his first four years when he was healthy. You guys want to add the 5th year, but there's no point of doing that when even the best Drew defender could never ever defend that.

 

The contract was for 5 seasons. You dissect all 5 seasons. Overall, he failed expectations 60% of the time. And even when he exceeded them in 2008, he still didnt play 110 games. He effectively stayed healthy and excelled for one season. That's not enough to say he was anything but a disappointment

[SCM33]

Give me a list of better RF in the AL in the last 5 years , do it .

I guarantee the list will be short. Very short

 

2007- 11 players qualified as RFers, Drew was 8th in OPS

2008- Drew didnt qualify due to injury, but he would have been 2nd

2009- Drew was #1

2010- Drew was 7th out of 10

2011- Didnt qualify, but would have been last

 

For 3 of his 5 yrs, he was significantly below average. For two of those seasons, he was phenomenal.

 

get the average for RF in the last 5 years and get back to me

I'd like to see how many RF in the last 5 years and have an average of 825 OPS and above

 

 

You dont need the average, he showed you where he ranked.

 

Elite players play. JD couldnt even qualify 2 of them because he wasnt on the field and was only better than 30% of the other RF's in the game in 2010.

 

Year by year rankings show where he compared in that individual year. You cant ask for an average just to make your argument look better.

 

You said elite, Jacksonian showed you where he ranked....and since you dont like that argument, you ask for another.

 

Its doesnt matter what someone shows you, you wont agree.

 

I could care less, I am indifferent to the guy.......apparently, you have some inner will that you MUST defend him no matter what.

 

If I am wrong, owell. You make arguments personal vendettas here man, relax.

[Emmz]

It is hard to defend the indefensible.

 

Still waiting for stats.

[jacksonianmarch]

You're putting words into everyone's mouth' date=' and manipulating the stats very signifcantly. Why are you so afraid to show the average OPS, instead of 'qualifying RFers'? I'm pretty sure there's more than 10 players in the league, and more than 10 RFers in the league.[/quote']

 

Correct, but the ones who played the position and qualified are the ones he gets measured against. You dont measure against part timers or platooners. You are measuring against other regular outfielders, which is why I only included those

[jacksonianmarch]

Still waiting for stats.

 

Well, you arent acting in reality here. Year 5 was his year to try and justify the contract and shed the label of bust. He was a bust, there is no way around it.

[redsoxrules]

You dont need the average, he showed you where he ranked.

 

Elite players play. JD couldnt even qualify 2 of them because he wasnt on the field and was only better than 30% of the other RF's in the game in 2010.

 

Year by year rankings show where he compared in that individual year. You cant ask for an average just to make your argument look better.

 

You said elite, Jacksonian showed you where he ranked....and since you dont like that argument, you ask for another.

 

Its doesnt matter what someone shows you, you wont agree.

 

I could care less, I am indifferent to the guy.......apparently, you have some inner will that you MUST defend him no matter what.

 

If I am wrong, owell. You make arguments personal vendettas here man, relax.

 

Try again ,

 

actually dont , cause you'll come up with an answer that isn't related to what talking about.

[Elktonnick]

Still waiting for stats.

 

Everyone has posted the stats. Can't you read! Or don't you want to? I am not going to repeat what has already been presented. In the final analysis Drew was a mediocre ball player who had one exceptional month.

[jacksonianmarch]

You guys are delusional. "But he had a .825OPS over his contract!!!" Seriously, the fact that his average is that low, yet he had 2 seasons where it was over .900 is telling. He was a complete bust 60% of the time.