2012 Financials

[Palodios]

But who are you going to get for Ellsbury?

 

Why is it that whenever I talk about big monster trades, the first impression is a two-team deal? When it comes to trading big players, there is atleast a 50% chance of a third team involved. Ellsbury to X, Prospects from X to Seattle, more prospects from Boston to Seattle, Felix to Boston. If it would cost Ellsbury, Ranaudo, Doubront to get Felix, would anyone blink for a second?

[Palodios]

Why do people keep thinking Ellsbury will be traded? He's an elite talent at this point.

 

I called it a longshot. What I'm assuming is that one of the team's four very good LHH OF will be traded, and Crawford is not going to be that player.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Why is it that whenever I talk about big monster trades' date=' the first impression is a two-team deal? When it comes to trading big players, there is atleast a 50% chance of a third team involved. Ellsbury to X, Prospects from X to Seattle, more prospects from Boston to Seattle, Felix to Boston. If it would cost Ellsbury, Ranaudo, Doubront to get Felix, would anyone blink for a second?[/quote']

 

Good call on the 3 team trade, I didn't even think about that. You're right.

 

Ellsbury to Angels for 2 top tier prospects. Combine those prospects with Ranaudo + PTBNL (2011 draftee Swihart? Barnes?) + Doubront for Felix. I could see that working.

[Palodios]

Good call on the 3 team trade, I didn't even think about that. You're right.

 

Ellsbury to Angels for 2 top tier prospects. Combine those prospects with Ranaudo + PTBNL (2011 draftee Swihart? Barnes?) + Doubront for Felix. I could see that working.

 

Lester-Felix-Beckett-Buchholz-Lackey. Kind of makes me giddy, I don't know about anyone else. And that is still with an offense that has Crawford, Pedroia, Adrian Gonzalez, Youkilis, maybe Ortiz, Saltalamacchia/Lavarnway, Kalish, Reddick, +SS.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lester-Felix-Beckett-Buchholz-Lackey. Kind of makes me giddy' date=' I don't know about anyone else. And that is still with an offense that has Crawford, Pedroia, Adrian Gonzalez, Youkilis, maybe Ortiz, Saltalamacchia/Lavarnway, Kalish, Reddick, +SS.[/quote']

 

Well as big of a mancrush Theo had on Gonzo, he's had an even bigger one for Felix. Do I expect the Sox to get Felix? No. Would I be surprised if they did? Nope. DeJesus and Willingham are both FA this offseason. Theo really likes both of them, so potentially sign one of those for RF.

 

Crawford

Pedroia

Gonzalez

Youkilis

Ortiz

Salty

DeJesus

Lowrie

Kalish

 

Rotation:

Felix

Lester

Beckett

Buchholz

Lackey

 

Sick.

[Palodios]

Dejesus and Willingham are hitting .230 and .246 respectively, but will still demand big money because Dejesus has usually been a .300 hitter, and Willingham has some good pop in a weak OF market. If the Red Sox are going for Felix, they'd probably be a bit short on money, use Reddick/Kalish for their OF, and pick up a platoon RHH that hits lefties well.

[AtWork]

What? Where? When???

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/tim-wakefield-will-retire-after-2011.html

[AtWork]

Ellsbury's not getting traded. I suppose it's possible that the Red Sox trade Kalish or Reddick for a starter but I think they'll take more time to evaluate them first.

[SoxFanForsyth]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/tim-wakefield-will-retire-after-2011.html

 

Thank. God.

 

FINALLY

[SoxFanForsyth]

Ellsbury's not getting traded. I suppose it's possible that the Red Sox trade Kalish or Reddick for a starter but I think they'll take more time to evaluate them first.

 

I'm with you in that I don't think that Ells will be traded, but at the same time, for the right guy (Felix), I don't think they'd let him hold up the deal.

[AtWork]

I'm with you in that I don't think that Ells will be traded' date=' but at the same time, for the right guy (Felix), I don't think they'd let him hold up the deal.[/quote']

 

It doesn't make sense to trade away a 6 WAR position player and much more to acquire a 6 WAR starting pitcher. It's a wash as far as the quality of the team and it depletes our farm system even more.

[Palodios]

Ellsbury's not getting traded. I suppose it's possible that the Red Sox trade Kalish or Reddick for a starter but I think they'll take more time to evaluate them first.

 

Once again, I emphasize, trading Ellsbury would be a longshot. He will only get moved for one really awesome piece (an ace), or two very good pieces. Really good player, MVP potential, women love him, unlikely to resign with the Sox. Sounds like a certain SS doesn't he?

 

I also wouldn't put it out of the question for him to be traded to Oakland for one of their three aces, since their offense is so abysmal. Ellsbury for Cahill could be an interesting idea.

[AtWork]

Once again' date=' I emphasize, trading Ellsbury would be a longshot. He will only get moved for one really awesome piece (an ace), or two very good pieces. Really good player, MVP potential, women love him,[b'] unlikely to resign with the Sox[/b]. Sounds like a certain SS doesn't he?

 

He's unlikely to sign an extension, but he's still likely to sign with us when he becomes a free agent. We have more money than anyone but the Yankees and the Yankees already have a CF who's doing just fine.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It doesn't make sense to trade away a 6 WAR position player and much more to acquire a 6 WAR starting pitcher. It's a wash as far as the quality of the team and it depletes our farm system even more.

 

It makes sense when you are leading the MLB in every offensive category, yet can't crack the top 15 in the MLB in ERA, FIP, or xFIP. Trading something you've got an abundance of for something you lack significantly makes perfect sense.

[AtWork]

It makes sense when you are leading the MLB in every offensive category' date=' yet can't crack the top 15 in the MLB in ERA, FIP, or xFIP. Trading something you've got an abundance of for something you lack significantly makes perfect sense.[/quote']

 

Not when you could keep Ellsbury and acquire a starter via free agency. Besides, who would lead off?

[Palodios]

It doesn't make sense to trade away a 6 WAR position player and much more to acquire a 6 WAR starting pitcher. It's a wash as far as the quality of the team and it depletes our farm system even more.

 

I also think we'd be selling high on Ellsbury. He's a good player and all, but I seriously doubt he'll hit 25 zingers in 2012.

[Palodios]

Not when you could keep Ellsbury and acquire a starter via free agency. Besides' date=' who would lead off?[/quote']

 

Have you seen the free agency pool? Sabathia will go to Philadelphia, Wilson will go to the Yankees, and what is left for the Sox?

[AtWork]

Besides, we already have Beckett, Lester and Buchholz. It's not like we're in dire need of a top of the rotation starter.

[Palodios]

Besides' date=' we already have Beckett, Lester and Buchholz. It's not like we're in dire need of a top of the rotation starter.[/quote']

 

Health concerns are always going to be an issue. Plus, next year is an even year, so Beckett won't be on.

[AtWork]

Have you seen the free agency pool? Sabathia will go to Philadelphia' date=' Wilson will go to the Yankees, and what is left for the Sox?[/quote']

 

One of Mark Beuhrle, Erik Bedard, Edwin Jackson or Paul Malholm would do just fine as a back of the rotation starter.

[AtWork]

It will also be interesting to see what happens with the backup catcher. They could stick with Varitek, they could sign a free agent like Henry Blanco who plays great defense, throws out more than 40% of basestealers and mashes lefties or they could try Lavarnway.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Not when you could keep Ellsbury and acquire a starter via free agency. Besides' date=' who would lead off?[/quote']

 

Have you seen the SP in free agency this year? It will make you throw up.

 

EDIT: Nevermind, I see the above posts. Either way, Theo loves the trade market much more than the FA market. Between the lack of talent in the FA market this year, combined with Theo's desire to trade, I think we'll get a deal done for someone like Felix or Weaver.

[AtWork]

Have you seen the SP in free agency this year? It will make you throw up.

 

Sabathia, Wilson, Beuhrle, Bedard... how terrible.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Thank. God.

 

FINALLY

 

[SoxFanForsyth]

Sabathia' date=' Wilson, Beuhrle, Bedard... how terrible.[/quote']

 

Sabathia has an opt out clause, that's it. You think the Yankees won't give him $25mm over 6 or 7 years?? Without CC, their rotation is in absolute shambles.

 

Mark Buehrle is hardly a solid option. He's a LHP that barely touches 90. How will that fare at Fenway? Pull, pull pull, and facing a lot of RH Hitters.

 

I'd be shocked if CJ Wilson went anywhere but the Rangers or Yankees. He's easily the top pitcher in this FA class.

 

CJ Wilson, Mark Buehrle, and Erik Bedard headlining a FA class is disgusting.

[Palodios]

Wilson will demand a contract of 80 million, easy. He won't be worth anywhere near that, and the Sox will need to make significant cutbacks if they put that kind of money on him.

[Cocos Disciples]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/tim-wakefield-will-retire-after-2011.html

 

Thank. God.

 

FINALLY

 

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110120&content_id=16473018&vkey=news_bos&c_id=bos

[AtWork]

Sabathia has an opt out clause, that's it. You think the Yankees won't give him $25mm over 6 or 7 years?? Without CC, their rotation is in absolute shambles.

 

Mark Buehrle is hardly a solid option. He's a LHP that barely touches 90. How will that fare at Fenway? Pull, pull pull, and facing a lot of RH Hitters.

 

I'd be shocked if CJ Wilson went anywhere but the Rangers or Yankees. He's easily the top pitcher in this FA class.

 

CJ Wilson, Mark Buehrle, and Erik Bedard headlining a FA class is disgusting.

 

You're actling like we're in depserate need of a 4th ace when all we need is a 5th starter. We'll be fine.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You're actling like we're in depserate need of a 4th ace when all we need is a 5th starter. We'll be fine.

 

I never said we were hurting for a starter and that we wouldn't be fine. But if you've got an opportunity to upgrade your weakness at the expense of a major strength, it makes you a much more complete team. Especially in the post season.

[AtWork]

I never said we were hurting for a starter and that we wouldn't be fine. But if you've got an opportunity to upgrade your weakness at the expense of a major strength' date=' it makes you a much more complete team. Especially in the post season.[/quote']

 

The top of our rotation isn't a weakness, our top 3 starters have a combined ERA below 3. It's not worth giving up one of our best players, plus more, in order to get a top of the rotation starter when we can keep Ellsbury and our prospects and sign a more than servicable 5th starter in free agency.

 

In the postseason, it won't matter whether or not we have an ace as our 4th starter because they probably won't start.