Put yourself in "Francoma's" shoes

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lots of people think Terry Francona is an awful bullpen manager. Whenever Francona does a bad move post what you would do if you were in his shoes.

[BornToRun]

Resign

[a700hitter]

I criticize his move in the game thread as he makes them. That's what the game thread is for.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I criticize his move in the game thread as he makes them. That's what the game thread is for.

 

You have a good point there old man. Maybe I should have just made it an official rant for Francoma.

[BornToRun]

We should just have Terry make a Twitter account and have the fans here instruct him during the games.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Yeah, I kind of wanted to see how posters would manage a game.

[BornToRun]

Yeah' date=' I kind of wanted to see how posters would manage a game.[/quote']

 

Certainly wouldn't pull Gonzo for f***ING SUTTON!

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I wouldn't either. Perhaps he said "screw it Crawford is batting we won already" :dunno:

[BornToRun]

I wouldn't either. Perhaps he said "screw it Crawford is batting we won already" :dunno:

 

Anybody have John McNamara's phone number?

[SoxSport]

I could never handle the players and the media as well as he does.

 

But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to manage a better game than he does.

[SoxSport]

Anybody have John McNamara's phone number?

 

You are joking? I once spoke to a player who had played for Mac. That's why you must be joking.

[SoxSport]

Lots of people think Terry Francona is an awful bullpen manager. Whenever Francona does a bad move post what you would do if you were in his shoes.

 

LESS

[boston22407]

people gonna hate

[BornToRun]

You are joking? I once spoke to a player who had played for Mac. That's why you must be joking.

 

Of course I was joking. As stupid as he is with the pen at times, the guy did help bring us two WS championships.

[iortiz]

Certainly wouldn't pull Gonzo for f***ING SUTTON!

 

don't even dare to remaind me again that f***tard move, it is just unbelievable.

[RedSoxFaithful]

The dude makes some awful moves!!

 

I agreed with going with pap in the 9th today though just didn't work out. can't blame him on that one. But seriously Sutton in the 3 hole. Idiot.

 

I might rant when Francona makes a dumbass move but i give him credit when credit is due.

[VA Sox Fan]

From The Globe's Peter Abraham about yesterday's game:

 

• Lots of readers were peeved that Francona ran for David Ortiz in the eighth inning and Adrian Gonzalez in the 10th

 

In the case of Ortiz, the Sox were up 7-3 and he was giving Ortiz a little rest never imagining the A's would rally.

 

Gonzalez, meanwhile, is one of the slowest runners in the game. He has almost no chance of scoring from first on a double, so running for him with with no outs makes sense. You have to manage to win the game right then, not for what could happen two innings later.

 

In Francona's case, virtually every person in New England is absolutely convinced he or she could manage the team. So he's always wrong when the move doesn't work out. But nothing he does is on a whim.

 

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Yesterday's "almost" loss was on Pedroia and Paps.

 

The Tito bashing out here is misguided at times and it's getting very very old.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'm actually not upset with Francona subbing Sutton for Gonzo for one reason only. The situation made it ok. He subbed him with nobody out, Youk - Cam - Crawford coming up (all of them have gap and HR power), and it was an extra inning game.

 

If he subbed Gonzo out from 1st base with 2 outs, or from 2nd base with 1 out and down by 1, I'm singing a different tune, but the situation called for it.

 

Besides - Gonzo wouldn't have made it to 2nd on that botched DP ball that Cameron hit, so Sutton at least gave Crawford a shot to rip a base hit and score him, whereas Gonzo would have been doubled off. If Crawford gets a hit there, nobody even thinks twice about this.

[a700hitter]

I'm actually not upset with Francona subbing Sutton for Gonzo for one reason only. The situation made it ok. He subbed him with nobody out, Youk - Cam - Crawford coming up (all of them have gap and HR power), and it was an extra inning game.

 

If he subbed Gonzo out from 1st base with 2 outs, or from 2nd base with 1 out and down by 1, I'm singing a different tune, but the situation called for it.

 

Besides - Gonzo wouldn't have made it to 2nd on that botched DP ball that Cameron hit, so Sutton at least gave Crawford a shot to rip a base hit and score him, whereas Gonzo would have been doubled off. If Crawford gets a hit there, nobody even thinks twice about this.

Sutton is not a base stealer, so he should have waited until Agon advanced to 2nd or 3rd with less than 2 outs. It was a wasted move.

[SoxSport]

From The Globe's Peter Abraham about yesterday's game:

 

• Lots of readers were peeved that Francona ran for David Ortiz in the eighth inning and Adrian Gonzalez in the 10th

 

In the case of Ortiz, the Sox were up 7-3 and he was giving Ortiz a little rest never imagining the A's would rally.

 

Gonzalez, meanwhile, is one of the slowest runners in the game. He has almost no chance of scoring from first on a double, so running for him with with no outs makes sense. You have to manage to win the game right then, not for what could happen two innings later.

 

In Francona's case, virtually every person in New England is absolutely convinced he or she could manage the team. So he's always wrong when the move doesn't work out. But nothing he does is on a whim.

 

****************

 

Yesterday's "almost" loss was on Pedroia and Paps.

 

The Tito bashing out here is misguided at times and it's getting very very old.

 

don't agree with the scribe.

you run for papi. you can't afford to run for adgon.

tito plays percentages like scrambled eggs.

 

 

There is a pro-Tito campaign going on at the Globe.

But that will change in an instant if they don't make the playoffs.

It's up to the Sports Editor.

[SoxSport]

The dude makes some awful moves!!

 

I agreed with going with pap in the 9th today though just didn't work out. can't blame him on that one. But seriously Sutton in the 3 hole. Idiot.

 

yeah, the Sutton thing was a killer. And then you have the Globe typically defending Tito

on a bad move. Tito gets away with mistakes when they win, and the media loves him.

 

Pap crapped his own bed, but that wasn't a closer situation. Closers frequently crap the bed in a non-save. they hate 'em. It's like a blind date with Jane Ugly.:thumbdown

[a700hitter]

From The Globe's Peter Abraham about yesterday's game:

 

• Lots of readers were peeved that Francona ran for David Ortiz in the eighth inning and Adrian Gonzalez in the 10th

 

In the case of Ortiz, the Sox were up 7-3 and he was giving Ortiz a little rest never imagining the A's would rally.

 

Gonzalez, meanwhile, is one of the slowest runners in the game. He has almost no chance of scoring from first on a double, so running for him with with no outs makes sense. You have to manage to win the game right then, not for what could happen two innings later.

 

In Francona's case, virtually every person in New England is absolutely convinced he or she could manage the team. So he's always wrong when the move doesn't work out. But nothing he does is on a whim.

 

****************

 

Yesterday's "almost" loss was on Pedroia and Paps.

 

The Tito bashing out here is misguided at times and it's getting very very old.

Beat writers are very reluctant to criticize the manager for obvious reasons, but while Peter A. went on record agreeing with the move, he did mention how widespread the second guessing has been. If the second guessing had no foundation, Peter A. would not have mentioned it. Very clever by Peter A.

 

As for the "winning the game now" argument, a manager should always look ahead and take into consideration the consequences of a move later in the game. For example, you don't pinch hit for both catchers. That's an easy one. Tito didn't play the percentages with the pinch running move. Since Sutton is not a base stealer, he should have waited to see if AGon had advanced to second or third with less than 2 out.

[jsc1973]

I didn't have a problem with him running for Papi, and running for A-Gon is defensible in a situation such as that. I just don't believe you should ever voluntarily take your best player out of the game for a small, short-term advantage.

 

Francona did it, it didn't work out, but the Red Sox won anyway. As far as I'm concerned, as long as the team wins, he doesn't need to explain anything.

[example1]

Yesterday's "almost" loss was on Pedroia and Paps.

 

The Tito bashing out here is misguided at times and it's getting very very old.

 

Yep. I can't argue with this at all. A game ending double play and a 4 run lead in the ninth are not things that Francona squandered away.

 

Now, if Sutton had been playing 2nd and Wakefield had been closing then maybe, but that wasn't the case.

[RedSoxFaithful]

Francona did a good job today, pulled Lackey early enough and used his bullpen well.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

In the month of September

 

-Aceves would have starded in September at least once.

-Wakefield would not be pitching anymore games or at least not starting any. Throw his ass in the bullpen.

-I would not have Lowrie batting 4th. He wouldn't even sniff the top 5.....ever.

[SoxSport]

"Francoma".

 

That expression has been used in chatgroups for years.

Now, why do you think that is? Why is he called "Francoma"?

 

I think a lot of people think he's a bit slow in game managing.

Slow to react to situations. Also lacking in visible intensity.

Has a tendency to give up too soon in games, and doesn't take the early season

very seriously.