Crawford Lineup Shuffle?

[redsoxrules]

Everytime it seems that Crawford has turned the corner and will start to produce he's back to slumping .

 

665 OPS in the last 16 games . 262 OBP

 

He's right where he belongs in the batting order

[SCM33]

He's right where he belongs in the batting order

 

Not sure I completely agree with you here. The one thing we have in common, is that he shouldnt be hitting 1-5.

 

You can make a case that he should be hitting 8th or 9th as hes been terrible over his last 10 games.

 

Hey six4three, still think Crawford should be at #2? NEVER going to happen as long as Pedroia is here, especially sicne Pedroia has been on fire over his last 10.

 

Crawford will not go higher than 6 and there is a possibility he goes down in the order, not up.

[Six4Three]

Is your sole purpose for being here to be annoying? You're walking on thin ice.

 

 

(My stock answer from now on when I don't agree with post that concerns me.)

[Palodios]

Is your sole purpose for being here to be annoying? You're walking on thin ice.

 

 

(My stock answer from now on when I don't agree with post that concerns me.)

 

Generally, mocking a moderator isn't a smart thing to do.

[Six4Three]

Nor is wasting my time on a forum full of 12 year old kids. Or worse, wasting my time on a forum where adults act like 13 year old kids.

 

 

I'll move on to a forum where there are a few more signs of intelligence.

 

 

Enjoy whacking off to "Moneyball" everyone. I'm out.....

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Later.

[SCM33]

Nor is wasting my time on a forum full of 12 year old kids. Or worse, wasting my time on a forum where adults act like 13 year old kids.

 

 

I'll move on to a forum where there are a few more signs of intelligence.

 

 

Enjoy whacking off to "Moneyball" everyone. I'm out.....

 

Hahaha, like I told you a few days back, I see people like you come and go all the time.

 

Thanks for contributing nothing and pissing everyone off.

 

Thank god hes finally gone. Can someone ban him so he doesnt come back?

 

EDIT: Thank you!!!, that banning didnt take long.

[Emmz]

Oh my, yes, this is awesome, thank you for banning him. I usually say this jokingly, but his posts were literally giving me headaches. I've never seen a seemingly serious poster be so ignorant, it was extremely frustrating/annoying.

[SCM33]

So, after watching Ellsbury and Pedroia destroy pitching since the allstar break, does anyone else think Crawford should still be hitting any higher than 6 or 7?

 

If you ask me, he should be hitting 8 with Scutaro hitting ninth.

 

Cant believe people actually wanted to displace Ellsbury or Pedroia at the top of the lineup with Crawford.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So, after watching Ellsbury and Pedroia destroy pitching since the allstar break, does anyone else think Crawford should still be hitting any higher than 6 or 7?

 

If you ask me, he should be hitting 8 with Scutaro hitting ninth.

 

Cant believe people actually wanted to displace Ellsbury or Pedroia at the top of the lineup with Crawford.

 

Why are you trying to instigate something that everyone has just put behind them?

[a700hitter]

I don't think there is any issue at this point.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You're right, there's no issue at this point. But when people were arguing this, it was when Crawford had been hitting .381/.422/.738 over an 11 game stretch and Pedroia was in his awful slump where he had been hitting .212/.316/.288 for a month.

[a700hitter]

If Pedroia and/or Ellsbury go into bad slumps and Crawford gets red hot then the issue should be revisited.

[SoxSport]

Crawford has been looking like a bad sign for Theo. He's stuck in the 6-hole because the only other spots for him are 1-2 and those are currently sewed up by Ells and Pedey.

 

In addition, he imbalances the lineup, so they attract LHP like bees to honey. Not to mention the king's ransom he's being paid.

 

If they wind up extending Ellsbury, at some point, I expect Crawford will become expendable in some sort of deal. Maybe one expensive disappointment for another.

 

You know these guys are grossly overpaid when they play their best ball BEFORE the big contract--not after. I've said before I thought the sports bubble will burst at some point, given the tough economic times we are in. Not yet, but you never know with the way things are going right now.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Crawford has been looking like a bad sign for Theo. He's stuck in the 6-hole because the only other spots for him are 1-2 and those are currently sewed up by Ells and Pedey.

 

In addition, he imbalances the lineup, so they attract LHP like bees to honey. Not to mention the king's ransom he's being paid.

 

If they wind up extending Ellsbury, at some point, I expect Crawford will become expendable in some sort of deal. Maybe one expensive disappointment for another.

 

You know these guys are grossly overpaid when they play their best ball BEFORE the big contract--not after. I've said before I thought the sports bubble will burst at some point, given the tough economic times we are in. Not yet, but you never know with the way things are going right now.

 

This is an absolutely unfathomable post. You're judging his contract based on 82 games into a 7 year deal. I don't even know how to respond to this.

 

Like I have said time and time again. Look at his career numbers. Does this year look like a trend or an aberration? Look at Beckett in 2010, were you wanting to dish him last season? Because someone else would have a 2.20 ERA pitcher right now. What about Lackey this season? You want to throw him to the wolves? What if he comes up in October and goes 4-0 with a 2.78 ERA?

 

Good Lord man. Relax with the dogging of Crawford. If it's 3 years into his deal and he's hitting .240, fine, whatever. But right now, give him at least a chance to turn it around. From May 1, Crawford is hitting .283. His OBP is down, but he's slugging .450, which isn't terrible. Again, it's a down year for him, but considering he's a career .296 hitter, I would say he's got the ability to get extremely hot.

 

It was just last September that he had a month where he hit .360/.402/.588 with 41 hits, 4 HR, 5 3B. Whose to say he can't get that hot again??

 

It's ridiculous to kill Crawford over 82 games and call his contract a complete bust. Maybe he doesn't hit .250 this year, but we all know the kind of player Crawford is when we signed him, so do you think he just lost all of his talent overnight?

[BornToRun]

This is an absolutely unfathomable post. You're judging his contract based on 82 games into a 7 year deal. I don't even know how to respond to this.

 

Like I have said time and time again. Look at his career numbers. Does this year look like a trend or an aberration? Look at Beckett in 2010, were you wanting to dish him last season? Because someone else would have a 2.20 ERA pitcher right now. What about Lackey this season? You want to throw him to the wolves? What if he comes up in October and goes 4-0 with a 2.78 ERA?

 

Good Lord man. Relax with the dogging of Crawford. If it's 3 years into his deal and he's hitting .240, fine, whatever. But right now, give him at least a chance to turn it around. From May 1, Crawford is hitting .283. His OBP is down, but he's slugging .450, which isn't terrible. Again, it's a down year for him, but considering he's a career .296 hitter, I would say he's got the ability to get extremely hot.

 

It was just last September that he had a month where he hit .360/.402/.588 with 41 hits, 4 HR, 5 3B. Whose to say he can't get that hot again??

 

It's ridiculous to kill Crawford over 82 games and call his contract a complete bust. Maybe he doesn't hit .250 this year, but we all know the kind of player Crawford is when we signed him, so do you think he just lost all of his talent overnight?

 

THANK YOU!

[ORS]

You're right' date=' there's no issue at this point. But when people were arguing this, it was when Crawford had been hitting .381/.422/.738 [b']over an 11 game stretch[/b] and Pedroia was in his awful slump where he had been hitting .212/.316/.288 for a month.

And this is why the thread should have ended on the first page.

[SoxFanForsyth]

And this is why the thread should have ended on the first page.

 

I don't understand this thought at all. You see a guy who has hit .302 in his 3,500 AB before coming over to the Red Sox, including a season which he was injured, and he gets off to a slow start. He starts to catch fire and looks like the player you signed up for, all the while you've got a #2 hole hitter who had 5 XBH in 120 AB, struggling to hit above the mendoza line for a month, and you think it's ridiculous to bring up a change in the line up?

 

Explain how that makes sense again?

[redsoxrules]

I don't understand this thought at all. You see a guy who has hit .302 in his 3,500 AB before coming over to the Red Sox, including a season which he was injured, and he gets off to a slow start. He starts to catch fire and looks like the player you signed up for, all the while you've got a #2 hole hitter who had 5 XBH in 120 AB, struggling to hit above the mendoza line for a month, and you think it's ridiculous to bring up a change in the line up?

 

Explain how that makes sense again?

 

Easy,

 

First off , a 302 batting average is not the best statistic to be using to compare players.

 

Second, Pedroia's career numbers are much better than Crawford

[ORS]

I don't understand this thought at all. You see a guy who has hit .302 in his 3,500 AB before coming over to the Red Sox, including a season which he was injured, and he gets off to a slow start. He starts to catch fire and looks like the player you signed up for, all the while you've got a #2 hole hitter who had 5 XBH in 120 AB, struggling to hit above the mendoza line for a month, and you think it's ridiculous to bring up a change in the line up?

 

Explain how that makes sense again?

Because it's just 11 games, and the guy who was slumping at the time is historically the better offensive player. If this doesn't make sense to you, my apologies, but it seems pretty clear to me (and others).

[SoxFanForsyth]

Well then. By this logic, JD Drew should be playing ahead of Reddick because he's got a better history. And Crawford also had a .358 obp over the past 2 years which encompass over 1200 PA. I'm not saying that we should have made the move, but to say that it shouldn't have reached a discussion is ignorant.

[ORS]

Well then. By this logic' date=' JD Drew should be playing ahead of Reddick because he's got a better history. And Crawford also had a .358 obp over the past 2 years which encompass over 1200 PA. I'm not saying that we should have made the move, but to say that it shouldn't have reached a discussion is ignorant.[/quote']

No, it isn't ignorant. What's ignorant is comparing JD Drew's season and a half of offensive decline to Crawford's 2 months. What's ignorant is on the one hand using Crawford's career numbers, or even his last 2 years, to justify him over Pedroia, and on the other hand ignoring (ignore ---> ingnorant) Pedroia's superior career numbers and only looking at one bad month. That's ignorance.

 

Dismissing the discussion as unnecessary is not ignorant. I'm not ignoring the data, but when I look at it, I see no reason to discuss beyond the first page.

 

The whole premise is an overreaction based on a small amount of data that does not match larger samples of data, larger samples that have proven correct again in a bigger sample of just this one season.

[AtWork]

Are you guys really arguing about whether or not you should have been arguing about something a month ago? It's a dead subject.

[Palodios]

Because it's just 11 games' date=' and the guy who was slumping at the time is historically the better offensive player. If this doesn't make sense to you, my apologies, but it seems pretty clear to me (and others).[/quote']

 

At the time, we didn't know what Pedroia was. He was hurt all of last season, slumping at the beginning of this season, and there were other injury concerns popping up. We've seen how the wrist injury impacted Ortiz, it led to speculation that health was affecting his bat. Crawford was healthy, and it looked like he had just appeared to be breaking out. In retrospect Terry Francona made the absolute right call in keeping Ells/Pedroia/Agon/Youk/Ortiz combo, but at the time there was enough information to generate discussion of moving some pieces around.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Wow, sometimes you people can be like a bunch of down syndrome kids in a special ed class arguing over the hottest retarded girl in the class. It just goes on and on and eventually everyone repeats themselves but at the end of the day nothing changes, you all still end up drooling on yourselves and spilling spaghetti-o's on yourself burning your crotch and the fact that you may have won doesn't make her any less retarded. It's like a circus full of suns.

 

 

 

And I'd just like to say that I'll take Crawford and his giant contract and have him hit like this(because he's not going to forever. Get it through your dense heads) than to have him go to the Yankees and perform to career norms(which would only be boosted by that glorified MiLB park they play in).

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I just died of laughter.

[AtWork]

Wow' date=' sometimes you people can be like a bunch of down syndrome kids in a special ed class arguing over the hottest retarded girl in the class. It just goes on and on and eventually everyone repeats themselves but at the end of the day nothing changes, you all still end up drooling on yourselves and spilling spaghetti-o's on yourself burning your crotch and the fact that you may have won doesn't make her any less retarded. [b']It's like a circus full of suns.[/b]

 

 

 

And I'd just like to say that I'll take Crawford and his giant contract and have him hit like this(because he's not going to forever. Get it through your dense heads) than to have him go to the Yankees and perform to career norms(which would only be boosted by that glorified MiLB park they play in).

 

That's the best line.

[SoxSport]

This is an absolutely unfathomable post. You're judging his contract based on 82 games into a 7 year deal. I don't even know how to respond to this.

 

 

Well, unfathomable to you, anyways.

 

If you don't know how to respond, then don't respond.

[SoxSport]

Wow, sometimes you people can be like a bunch of down syndrome kids in a special ed class arguing over the hottest retarded girl in the class. It just goes on and on and eventually everyone repeats themselves but at the end of the day nothing changes, you all still end up drooling on yourselves and spilling spaghetti-o's on yourself burning your crotch and the fact that you may have won doesn't make her any less retarded. It's like a circus full of suns.

 

 

 

And I'd just like to say that I'll take Crawford and his giant contract and have him hit like this(because he's not going to forever. Get it through your dense heads) than to have him go to the Yankees and perform to career norms(which would only be boosted by that glorified MiLB park they play in).

 

 

$10 million bucks into his contract, and he looks like a dud to me--for what he is being paid, that is. Lackey looks like a dud, too, and he's even deeper into his contract.

One of CCs problems is they really haven't found a good place in the lineup for him where his skills can be properly utilized. He may be a bit lost in the 6-hole. Remember, he's coming from a team where he was the big fish. I wish him the best, and hope he hits .400 in September when it will count.

 

As for going to the Yankees, that might not be a bad idea for him. There are a lot of overachievers playing in NY right now, and maybe some of it might rub off.

[redsoxrules]

$10 million bucks into his contract, and he looks like a dud to me--for what he is being paid, that is. Lackey looks like a dud, too, and he's even deeper into his contract.

One of CCs problems is they really haven't found a good place in the lineup for him where his skills can be properly utilized. He may be a bit lost in the 6-hole. Remember, he's coming from a team where he was the big fish. I wish him the best, and hope he hits .400 in September when it will count.

 

As for going to the Yankees, that might not be a bad idea for him. There are a lot of overachievers playing in NY right now, and maybe some of it might rub off.

 

OMG not this again.....

 

CC suckage is not related to where he's batting in the lineup .

He's a professional athlete and he can utilize his skills NO MATTER WHERE HE BATS IN THE LINEUP