Felix Hernandez

[redsoxfreak91]

I have a strong feeling that about half way through this season King Felix will be a member of the Yanks or Sox. Both teams are going to need another good starter in order to win the World Series. The mariners will likely suck at that point in the season and will be willing to deal him. Who has the players to make this deal happen....can Pap be apart of this move?

[boston22407]

cmon really day 3 of the season and already this ?

[Flynnatic10]

NO way, Sox dont have enough firepower. Felix for Dice-K and prospects? I think not.

[suns]

Seattle will not move Felix

[redsoxfreak91]

Seattle will not move Felix

 

seattle has tried to move felix the last two trade deadlines....they just have not gotten a good enough deal for him yet, everyone is bitchin at how bad our pitching is going to be so the only way to improve it is for a trade, so no its not too early to think about it

[suns]

Do you know what it would take to get felix?

[yeszir]

If he goes anywhere it'll be to New York and thats only if the Yankees are more than a few games behind the sox midway through the season

[Palodios]

Do you know what it would take to get felix?

 

Vanna, can I get 3 B's and an M?

[jacksonianmarch]

I have said before that I think Felix is moved prior to the beginning of next season. I doubt he becomes a mid season move since most mid season moves are rushed and dont benefit the selling team. But Felix's contract escalates DRAMATICALLY this offseason and if the Mariners suffer another season of 90-100 losses, then selling him now gets them their biggest payload. Felix will cost a lot, but looking around at other deals for aces, makes me think all three B's and Montero would be overpaying by a lot...

 

Santana was dealt because he had one yr left on his contract and was subsequently signed for $22.9 mil per season. Minnesota got a top tier OF in Carlos Gomez (who bombed), a MLB ready pitcher in Humber (who bombed), and two high ceilinged prospects in Mulvey (who bombed) and Deolis Guerra (who is sucking in the Minny system). The problem with the Santana trade was that the Twins went for a quantity of "good" prospects without securing a top tier prospect.

 

Zach Greinke was just traded to the Brewers with two years of control under his belt. He was dealt for 2 prospects of note in Odorizzi (#69 this yr in BA top 100) and Alcides Escobar, a potential starting shortstop for years to come. They also got a reliever in Jeffress and a probable 4th OFer long term in Cain.

 

Felix' contract escalated to a 3yr $58 million contract after this season. That's better than Lackey and Burnett money, which is something I am sure Seattle would probably not wish to pay while going through active rebuilding. Felix is better than Greinke and doesnt have the whole head case thing hanging over his head, so you should expect a better haul in his case. If I had to guess....

 

Montero would be player #1 in the deal. He's got the bat of Cabrera at a prime position, although he doesnt play that position well.

 

Brackman would be player #2 in the deal. He'll be in AAA this yr and is out of options after this season, so the Yanks would want to move him more than Betances and Banuelos. But he also throws mid 90s at 6"11" and has 2 plus offspeed offerings. He's the potential ace in return.

 

Player #3 is most likely another pitcher who is a bit further off with a high ceiling, like a Graham Stoneburner or a Brett Marshall

 

Player #4 is most likely a position player who safely grades out as at least a big league bench player with the ceiling of an above average big leaguer. A guy like David Adams or Brandon Laird.

 

I can tell you for a fact that they will not put Banuelos AND Montero into a deal.

[Keeper]

I can tell you for a fact that they will not put Banuelos AND Montero into a deal.

 

However, that's probably what the Mariners would ask for, and I think it would be more than fair. As great as their upside is, neither one is proven. Montero also loses some value because he will, in all likelihood, wind up being a DH. Smoak will develop and is an excellent fielding 1B. Banuelos has only had a cup of coffee in AA, so we've yet to see what he can do in the upper levels of the minors. Meanwhile, Felix is arguably the best pitcher in baseball, and he's only 25 (or will be in a few days).

[jacksonianmarch]

How would it be fair? What trades have you seen where a player was dealt for two players in the consensus top 30? There is no precedent. Almost all the ace trades have one major blue chipper, another solid but not "top" prospect and 2 guys down the line

[yankees228]

If the Yankees have an opportunity to acquire Felix for Montero and Banuelos, and they pass, it would easily be the worst decision of the Cashman era.

[jacksonianmarch]

I wouldnt part with Montero and Banuelos for anyone. I would part with either as the centerpiece of a trade, but not both of them in a 2 for 1.

[yankees228]

Felix has all-time great potential, he's 24 (!!!!!) years old, and is signed to an affordable (by his standards) contract over the next four years. Trades for players like that never happen.

[Keeper]

Apparently, Y228 disagrees with you, Jacko. Why shouldn't the Mariners ask for the moon for Felix? The Yankees have some serious question marks at SP, which gives the Mariners a lot of leverage. And again:

 

Felix: Arguably best pitcher in MLB

Montero and Banuelos: Unproven big prospects who could flame out

 

If Cashman passed on the deal, the Mariners could get a big return for Felix from other teams. I would imagine if the Mariners end up shopping Felix, they'll get more than a few interesting offers, which would make the Yankees up the ante.

[yankees228]

2009: 2.49 ERA, 3.09 FIP, 6.8 WAR

 

2010: 2.27 ERA, 3.04 FIP, 6.2 WAR

 

Did I mention he was 24?

[jacksonianmarch]

Apparently' date=' Y228 disagrees with you, Jacko. Why [i']shouldn't[/i] the Mariners ask for the moon for Felix? The Yankees have some serious question marks at SP, which gives the Mariners a lot of leverage. And again:

 

Felix: Arguably best pitcher in MLB

Montero and Banuelos: Unproven big prospects who could flame out

 

If Cashman passed on the deal, the Mariners could get a big return for Felix from other teams. I would imagine if the Mariners end up shopping Felix, they'll get more than a few interesting offers, which would make the Yankees up the ante.

 

The problem is, the guy is EXPENSIVE. This isnt like trading a player with 3 arb yrs left or signed to an affordable contract. He's essentially signed at Halladay money. Not too many teams can afford that. That will limit the playing field

[Palodios]

How would it be fair? What trades have you seen where a player was dealt for two players in the consensus top 30? There is no precedent. Almost all the ace trades have one major blue chipper' date=' another solid but not "top" prospect and 2 guys down the line[/quote']

 

I can't think of any situation where a consistently good ace was traded, and had this long on his contract.

 

Cliff Lee to Phils in 2009-- this contract has 1.5 years left, but remember, he had struggled with inconsistency, and had a 6+ ERA only two years prior in 2007.

 

Halladay had one year left on his contract, Peavy had tons of injuries, Haren was coming off inconsistency, Sabathia only had a half year left, Oswalt had a year and a half left, Marcum/Greinke/Vazquez... There just isn't any good comparison out there. And, he's only 24.

[jacksonianmarch]

Being 24 is irrelevant. He's under contract for 3 seasons of prime performance at nearly 20 million per season. It's a contract that half of all baseball teams can afford at face value, then when considering current payroll restraints, many cannot. Montero, Brackman, Marshall, and Adams would be an absolutely ridiculous haul and a LOT more than what the Yanks offered for Lee. You guys need to remember that top 5 prospects dont typically get traded either.

[SoxSport]

The Yankees will get somebody if the the current lot of starters fails. They'll offer Montero and a few other minor leaguers. It isn't clear if the Mariners would trade Felix.

 

I doubt the Red Sox are in the hunt for another starter. They simply can't afford another big salary without getting deeply into the luxury tax, which is not their policy. There is really only one team in baseball that can afford to pay double digit millions in luxury taxes.

[Interestedobserver]

If the Yankees have an opportunity to acquire Felix for Montero and Banuelos' date=' and they pass, it would easily be the worst decision of the Cashman era.[/quote']

 

The deal would already be done. And tell me how an untested rookie like Montero has the bat of Cabrera.

[Palodios]

Being 24 is irrelevant. He's under contract for 3 seasons of prime performance at nearly 20 million per season. It's a contract that half of all baseball teams can afford at face value' date=' then when considering current payroll restraints, many cannot. Montero, Brackman, Marshall, and Adams would be an absolutely ridiculous haul and a LOT more than what the Yanks offered for Lee. You guys need to remember that top 5 prospects dont typically get traded either.[/quote']

 

Being 24 IS relevant. 20+ teams in baseball could afford Felix . With most long term contracts, you're paying for the performance after they age and decline. A-Rod, Mauer, Werth, Pujols, whoever. The usual problem with those kind of deals is that the team is paying for them in their later years for the production NOW. If you were to sign and extend him, you'd be getting your money's worth barring major injury.

 

You also are underplaying the importance of the years in this situation-- Any team could get him now, keep him for 2+ years, win a championship, and then trade him for quality prospects before the 2014 season. Realize-- he's the pitcher equivalent of Albert Pujols, but 7 years younger. Also realize, the Mariners don't have any reason to trade him-- he costs a lot, but he also puts fans into seats.

[Meh]

I have a strong feeling that about half way through this season King Felix will be a member of the Yanks or Sox. Both teams are going to need another good starter in order to win the World Series. The mariners will likely suck at that point in the season and will be willing to deal him. Who has the players to make this deal happen....can Pap be apart of this move?

 

lets not bash this guy.... yet. I want to see his deal he'd offer for Felix from the Red Sox.

[ORS]

The deal would already be done. And tell me how an untested rookie like Montero has the bat of Cabrera.

At some point in his development, a scout indicated that he reminded him of Cabrera. This is where that is coming from. This has happened before, too. Back when Tabata was in the Yankee system, someone once said they reminded him of a "young Manny", and that was the meme for a little while from the Yankee fan camp.

 

Now, admittedly, Montero has put up the numbers in the minors that make his comparison seem to have more legs. That doesn't change the fact that these little anecdotal comments propagate accross the interwebs as some sort of gospel, though.

[SoxSport]

Pumping up minor league players through the NY media to improve their tradeability is an old Yankee ploy. Though I've seen the quote that they didn't think Montero was a major league catcher yet. That doesn't help trading him.

 

The kid that got away is Austin Jackson. He's better and cheaper than Grandison.

 

Both Montero and Jackson "suffer" from batting RHd. That's a negative in Yankee Stadium.

[yankees228]

Pumping up minor league players through the NY media to improve their tradeability is an old Yankee ploy. Though I've seen the quote that they didn't think Montero was a major league catcher yet. That doesn't help trading him.

 

The kid that got away is Austin Jackson. He's better and cheaper than Grandison.

 

Both Montero and Jackson "suffer" from batting RHd. That's a negative in Yankee Stadium.

 

We'll see what kind of year Jackson has when he doesn't benefit from a .396 BABIP. The defense will be there, but I don't think Jackson will ever be much of a hitter. The strikeouts don't stop coming, and the luck he had last year will run out.

[Divinity]

I'd trade Montero and Banuelos for King Felix in a heartbeat. Yanks will almost certainly need him (or another Ace) should they make it to the WS and face the Phillies for the next couple years. They were even willing to give up Montero last year just to rent Lee for half a season.

[Meh]

He's better and cheaper than Grandison.

 

Cheaper, Yes. but better? how?

[redsoxfreak91]

lets not bash this guy.... yet. I want to see his deal he'd offer for Felix from the Red Sox.

 

I really have no idea what I would offer. Half way through the season though things may change and maybe a hot prospect emerges. Anthony Ranaudo is a prospect to consider in this trade. I believe that a trade of Ranaudo, and two other prospects in addition with Papelbon could potentially get king felix. But unfortunately I do not believe we can offer a better package than the yanks so if felix is moved i do believe that it will unfortunately be to the yanks.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Definitely not Papelbon. Why trade 3 months of a $12mm closer? He's out.

 

If the Sox were to get Felix, it would take Ranaudo + Iglesias + Kalish + Lavarnway, or something like that. Something that would completely deplete our entire farm system. Then, we would have to extend Felix to an outrageous contract since he's got a no trade clause that he would have to waive to come to Boston (same for NYY).