BYU dismisses player

[jacksonianmarch]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6175090

 

So this kid from BYU got booted off the team for porking his girlfriend. 2 questions...

 

1. Who gives a f***? Seriously, the mormons can go f*** themselves. All high and mighty and needing to live "chaste" lives while they get to "marry" multiple women and f*** like pornstars.

 

2. If it's against the rules, why did he tell anyone?

[Palodios]

There are schools in the U.S. with very rigorous moral codes. They should not be criticized for wanting/giving that option. If you don't want to follow their rules, go to another school, its as simple as that.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Its the dumbass's fault for going to that school and agreeing to take part in those retarded ideals in the first place. I'm sure there were at least a couple of schools that recruited him that wouldn't flip out over premarital sex and drinking.

[Cocos Disciples]

Questioning of his religion aside, he broke the rules and he should pay the consequences. BYU is pretty serious about their s***, this doesn't surprise me at all.

[Emmz]

Its the dumbass's fault for going to that school and agreeing to take part in those retarded ideals in the first place. I'm sure there were at least a couple of schools that recruited him that wouldn't flip out over premarital sex and drinking.

 

Yeah, people who have stronger morals than most others are really retarded. I hate them. Stupid f***in' mormons and their fancy morals that they enforce. *shakes fist at mormons*

 

Anyways, I COMMEND them. While I disagree with the code itself, a lot, I think it's very nice to see schools don't give special treatment to certain students.

 

J_E I agree with you that the honor code is too much, but it's their faith, their religion. You've complained on this site about preachy music, but here you are trying to preach. You just look like a hypocrite. I've had this discussion with every atheist I know, they complain about preachy religious people, or christian rock being to preachy, then they want to tell you how to believe.

 

Seriously.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I don't know much about college sports, but I assume this is one of those schools where the sports compete in that NCAA or whatever, right? The highest level of college sports or something? If so I don't think they should be allowed to kick a player off the team unless it has to do with criminal problems or grade issues. I doubt everyone on that team is a strict mormon who doesn't have per-marital sex or doesn't drink. I bet mostly everyone on that team does. Yeah he shouldn't of gone to a school with regulations like that but a school shouldn't have regulations like that to begin with. Schooling and religion should be 2 completely different things. School is school and religion is something discussed and practiced among family.

[bsox0407]

I don't know much about college sports' date=' but I assume this is one of those schools where the sports compete in that NCAA or whatever, right? The highest level of college sports or something? If so I don't think they should be allowed to kick a player off the team unless it has to do with criminal problems or grade issues. I doubt everyone on that team is a strict mormon who doesn't have per-marital sex or doesn't drink. I bet mostly everyone on that team does. Yeah he shouldn't of gone to a school with regulations like that but a school shouldn't have regulations like that to begin with. Schooling and religion should be 2 completely different things. School is school and religion is something discussed and practiced among family.[/quote']

 

in the Paperwork that the student must sign it said that they will not participate in sex period while in school. they had something on the news tonight.

 

I am pleased that the school does that it serious.

[Emmz]

I don't know much about college sports' date=' but I assume this is one of those schools where the sports compete in that NCAA or whatever, right? The highest level of college sports or something? If so I don't think they should be allowed to kick a player off the team unless it has to do with criminal problems or grade issues. I doubt everyone on that team is a strict mormon who doesn't have per-marital sex or doesn't drink. I bet mostly everyone on that team does. Yeah he shouldn't of gone to a school with regulations like that but a school shouldn't have regulations like that to begin with. Schooling and religion should be 2 completely different things. School is school and religion is something discussed and practiced among family.[/quote']

 

They have the right to enforce their honor code. If you accept their honor code, it means that you agree to follow those rules. No one's forcing you to go to school at BYU, but you know you're getting a very religious school when you go there. A school can have regulations if they want, people can practice religion if they want. It's freedom of religion, that's why they can do that, it's also the reason why you get to practice any other religion you want, or not practice religion at all.

[Emmz]

in the Paperwork that the student must sign it said that they will not participate in sex period while in school. they had something on the news tonight.

 

I am pleased that the school does that it serious.

 

They have the right to free religion. BYU did the right thing on enforcing the honor code at their school. If you can't follow it, then you shouldn't go to school there.

[bsox0407]

They have the right to free religion. BYU did the right thing on enforcing the honor code at their school. If you can't follow it' date=' then you shouldn't go to school there.[/quote']

 

IKR. I would be like they put that contract in front of me. F-that.

[YAZMAN]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6175090

 

So this kid from BYU got booted off the team for porking his girlfriend. 2 questions...

 

1. Who gives a f***? Seriously, the mormons can go f*** themselves. All high and mighty and needing to live "chaste" lives while they get to "marry" multiple women and f*** like pornstars.

 

2. If it's against the rules, why did he tell anyone?

 

He signed an agreement, and decided to be a man of honor and tell the truth about it. Basically, if you want to play college hoops and f***, don't go to BYU.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Yeah, people who have stronger morals than most others are really retarded. I hate them. Stupid f***in' mormons and their fancy morals that they enforce. *shakes fist at mormons*

 

Anyways, I COMMEND them. While I disagree with the code itself, a lot, I think it's very nice to see schools don't give special treatment to certain students.

 

J_E I agree with you that the honor code is too much, but it's their faith, their religion. You've complained on this site about preachy music, but here you are trying to preach. You just look like a hypocrite. I've had this discussion with every atheist I know, they complain about preachy religious people, or christian rock being to preachy, then they want to tell you how to believe.

 

Seriously.

I'm preaching? I thought I was stating my opinion.

 

I don't care what their faith is, their ideals and morals are garbage, and (like most if not all organized religion) are rooted in control. No reasonable person should give a flying f*** if you have sex with your girlfriend who you are in a relationship with. I'm not telling anybody what to believe, I'm calling the game as I see it.

[Emmz]

I'm preaching? I thought I was stating my opinion.

 

I don't care what their faith is, their ideals and morals are garbage, and (like most if not all organized religion) are rooted in control. No reasonable person should give a flying f*** if you have sex with your girlfriend who you are in a relationship with. I'm not telling anybody what to believe, I'm calling the game as I see it.

 

The game as you see it is not the way others see it.

[Keeper]

Who gives a f***? Seriously' date=' the mormons can go f*** themselves. All high and mighty and needing to live "chaste" lives while they get to "marry" multiple women and f*** like pornstars.[/quote']

 

I think what is getting lost in this discussion about following the rules of the school is this is actually a really good point.

 

It's extremely hypocritical for Mormons to condemn premarital sex while condoning the boning of multiple spouses. They need a morality reality check.

[italstallianion]

I'm thinking more of a priorities check.

[Keeper]

Semantics. Either way, it smacks of hypocrisy.

[Emmz]

Also, the Mormons believe in "following the law of the land". This prohibits them from marrying more than once. I think you guys should take a closer look, rather than just believing what someone tells you.

[Keeper]

Also' date=' the Mormons believe in "following the law of the land". [b']This prohibits them from marrying more than once.[/b] I think you guys should take a closer look, rather than just believing what someone tells you.

 

So, you're saying Mormons don't practice polygamy? News to me.

[Emmz]

So' date=' you're saying Mormons don't practice polygamy? News to me.[/quote']

 

Try reading the book of Mormon before you sling mud. Some extremist branches of Mormonism still practice polygamy, but it's against the law, and is prohibited by the book of Mormon.

[Keeper]

Sorry, didn't mean to offend an expert on Mormons.

[Emmz]

Sorry' date=' didn't mean to offend an expert on Mormons. [/quote']

 

 

Attacking people's religious beliefs without having any grasp on said religion is the wrong way to argue.

[Keeper]

Whatever. If it is a misconception that Mormons aren't polygamists, pretty sure I'm not the only person who is ignorant in this regard. Let's also not overlook the fact that the BYU rule is blatantly stupid. Some rules are meant to be broken. This would be one of them.

[Palodios]

I'm preaching? I thought I was stating my opinion.

 

I don't care what their faith is, their ideals and morals are garbage, and (like most if not all organized religion) are rooted in control. No reasonable person should give a flying f*** if you have sex with your girlfriend who you are in a relationship with. I'm not telling anybody what to believe, I'm calling the game as I see it.

 

They have the right to believe in their religion, just as much as you have the right to not follow one. Why do you want to take away their rights? The beauty of it is choice-- if you want to go there and follow their beliefs, you have the option. If not, go to one of the other 3000 schools in the country that don't give a flying f*** about who you have sex with.

 

If you can't tolerate other view points, how does that make you any better than those who follow control-based religions? Tolerance, and openness are the solutions to all religous-conflicts.

[Emmz]

Whatever. If it is a misconception that Mormons aren't polygamists' date=' pretty sure I'm not the only person who is ignorant in this regard. Let's also not overlook the fact that the BYU rule is blatantly stupid. Some rules are meant to be broken. This would be one of them.[/quote']

 

1. Until you have actually backed your argument with research, I'll have to dismiss this point as incorrect. When you've done your research, you will agree with me, in which case there's no need for discussion.

 

2. Blatantly stupid to who? What is stupid to you, may not be stupid to them. It's their freedom of religion. Call it stupid all you want, he is bound to the code of honor.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, you can consider things to be stupid all you want, I can't stop you. However, you're attempting to push your beliefs on everyone else when you say that their rules are "blatantly stupid" and are "meant to be broken".

[Emmz]

They have the right to believe in their religion, just as much as you have the right to not follow one. Why do you want to take away their rights? The beauty of it is choice-- if you want to go there and follow their beliefs, you have the option. If not, go to one of the other 3000 schools in the country that don't give a flying f*** about who you have sex with.

 

If you can't tolerate other view points, how does that make you any better than those who follow control-based religions? Tolerance, and openness are the solutions to all religous-conflicts.

 

Great post. I agree with this 100%.

[Keeper]

1. Until you have actually backed your argument with research, I'll have to dismiss this point as incorrect. When you've done your research, you will agree with me, in which case there's no need for discussion.

 

2. Blatantly stupid to who? What is stupid to you, may not be stupid to them. It's their freedom of religion. Call it stupid all you want, he is bound to the code of honor.

 

You're entitled to your opinion, you can consider things to be stupid all you want, I can't stop you. However, you're attempting to push your beliefs on everyone else when you say that their rules are "blatantly stupid" and are "meant to be broken".

 

There are approximately 40,000 polygamists in Utah. Done with my research.

 

How am I attempting to push my beliefs on anyone? It is blatantly stupid, and that should be self-evident to anyone who thinks it through. Prohibiting premarital sex is a holier than thou, unrealistic, antiquated tradition and having such severe consequences for breaking the rule lacks human decency. Since you're such an advocate, convince me that it is a good rule, even though you yourself have admitted to doing the deed.

[Emmz]

There are approximately 40,000 polygamists in Utah. Done with my research.

 

How am I attempting to push my beliefs on anyone? It is blatantly stupid. Prohibiting premarital sex is a holier than thou ******** belief system and having such severe consequences for breaking the rule lacks human decency. Since you're such an advocate, convince me that it is a good rule, even though you yourself have admitted to doing the deed.

 

To you. Even to me, it's silly. I never advocated it, please refer me to the post where I said otherwise. Remember, just because I defend the decision, does not mean I defend the code itself.

 

As to 40,000 polygamists in Utah, this is an illegal practice, for one. Also, please provide statistics as to how many of these are Mormons. This is prohibited by the Book of Mormon.

[Palodios]

How am I attempting to push my beliefs on anyone? It is blatantly stupid. Prohibiting premarital sex is a holier than thou ******** belief system

 

Pre-marital sex has consequences. To prohibit something that has consequences is not illogical. I have my own opinions about it, but I have no problem with them enforcing their values in a private institution.

[Keeper]

To you. Even to me, it's silly. I never advocated it, please refer me to the post where I said otherwise. Remember, just because I defend the decision, does not mean I defend the code itself.

 

As to 40,000 polygamists in Utah, this is an illegal practice, for one. Also, please provide statistics as to how many of these are Mormons. This is prohibited by the Book of Mormon.

 

So, what you're saying is you are defending the decision even though you know it's illogical. Defending the school's decision is being an advocate for it, any way you slice it. The punishment did not fit the "crime." End of story.

 

As for doing thorough research on this subject, nuh-uh. I don't care enough about Mormons or the Book of Mormon to waste my time.

[Keeper]

Pre-marital sex has consequences. To prohibit something that has consequences is not illogical. I have my own opinions about it' date=' but I have no problem with them enforcing their values in a [i']private[/i] institution.

 

So does post-marital sex. We should prohibit that as well.