Miguel Cabrera gets hit with a DUI

[italstallianion]

I think that if we started frying those bastards left and right that the point will be made REAL quick.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

The non-lawyer is schooling the supposed lawyer. Exactly' date=' they had no control my ass. You know what, I don't think the 9/11 terrorists were bad people, they just got drunk on a plane and look what happened! Extreme example, but you are willing to justify anything a drunk does because they were drunk? [b']Once again, I think that if this was Mark Teixeira, an American guy on the Yankees, you wouldnt be feeling so strongly.[/b]

 

 

You implying that Dipre is siding with Cabrera for racial reasons along with team reasons? f***ing low. Can there ever be a time when you can argue something without pulling BS like this?

 

 

The way you present yourself on this site is nothing like I would imagine the way a true doctor should be.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

"See:Lawrence Taylor?"

 

You serious Dipre? Taylor didnt f*** a teenager IN FRONT OF THE COPS. The police report and the police camera will confirm this story. And he thought he was riding a donkey in Venezuela? I dont know about you, but I have a feeling that if Mark Teixeira was in the same predicament, you'd be railing on him up and down. I have a feeling that there may be some cultural or ethnic bias in terms of your defending this guy.

 

This was also pretty low.

[VA Sox Fan]

This was also pretty low.

 

jacko being jacko. Also, he and Dipre have a history of "not getting along"

 

On another note, maybe Tony Dungy could make some visits to Cabrera. So far, he's helped Vick a lot. Would hate to see him throw his career down the fk'n toilet. But...what the hell can ya do? People are people.....

[WhiskeyBreath]

jacko being jacko. Also, he and Dipre have a history of "not getting along"

 

On another note, maybe Tony Dungy could make some visits to Cabrera. So far, he's helped Vick a lot. Would hate to see him throw his career down the fk'n toilet. But...what the hell can ya do? People are people.....

 

Dungy won't give Cabrera the time of day. He's not black.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

[Emmz]

Required by whom? In what instance? Under what pretenses? This statement is a clear dichotomy between "what should be" and "what is". He's a declared alcoholic' date=' so he doesn't know better, therefore, he shouldn't have a license.[/quote']

 

It's required by every state to hold a driver's license to know that drinking while driving is illegal, and what can come of it. Once again, try again old top

 

It all comes down to what decisions he made while conscious, now, none of us knows for sure whether he got drunk to the point where he didn't know what the f*** he was doing, but the fact that he took a drink in front of a cop makes me think he probably thought he was riding a donkey throughout the fair streets of San Felix, Venezuela, and that doesn't give anyone the right to point their finger without knowing what actually happened.

 

This is the type of thing that people feel bad about when a report comes out that the story was completely different than what was initially imagined. (See: Taylor, Lawrence).That's why you don't judge.

 

We do though, he was drinking when the cops arrived. Trying to start his car. This means he either did drive while under the influence, or was intending to, herp derp. If you even get behind the wheel of a car while you're over the legal limit, you're in trouble.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

It's required by every state to hold a driver's license to know that drinking while driving is illegal, and what can come of it. Once again, try again old top

 

 

 

We do though, he was drinking when the cops arrived. Trying to start his car. This means he either did drive while under the influence, or was intending to, herp derp. If you even get behind the wheel of a car while you're over the legal limit, you're in trouble.

 

You are trying to make this issue too black and white. It's not like that at all. Even if he knows drunk driving is illegal, even if he was trying to start his car while drunk meaning he was intending to drive does not mean he was in a conscious state of mind. "He should know better" doesn't mean a damn thing in that situation. It doesn't mean he's innocent, it doesn't mean he didn't make a bad decision, it doesn't mean any sort of thing like that. It means the man has a serious f***ing problem that needs help, a problem that puts himself and others at risk. Beneath the alcohol problem could be another problem, a possible mental issue or something. Let's not make this guy out to be a real piece of s***.

 

And how it was said about blaming the system earlier(by someone else), you seriously think the system shouldn't get any blame for s*** like this happening on a consistent basis? Really? The same system who knows damn well what alcohol does to people, how addictive it is, the s*** it causes, yet allows it to be legal? The same system who just suspends these people's licenses for a month or 2 and give them a few months probation? Screw that. Cabrera got a D.U.I before and admitted to being an alcoholic. Anyone with a D.U.I and admits to being an alcoholic or is known as one should have their license revoked for a year or 2, have to submit to random drug testing for the same amount of time, attend rehab, and have those machines installed in their car that makes them have to pass a Breathalyzer before the car will even start. All this on a first offense. Get caught again and spend jail time and never drive again. Hell, in some states if you're caught driving with even just a marijuana pipe with resin in it or a roach (even if you are sober) you have to go to court, get your license suspended, get probation, and are forced to attend drug classes where you must stand infront of everyone and declare yourself a drug addict, yet booze is way more dangerous than that and half the time those people don't even get anything done to them.

[Divinity]

Hell' date=' in some states if you're caught driving with even just a marijuana pipe with resin in it or a roach (even if you are sober) you have to go to court, get your license suspended, get probation, and are forced to attend drug classes where you must stand infront of everyone and declare yourself a drug addict, yet booze is way more dangerous than that and half the time those people don't even get anything done to them.[/quote']

 

Yeah some states have ridiculous marijuana penalties, glad I live in New York where its decriminalized. A friend and I got caught with a roach once, the officer handed us each a ticket and we had to go to court, they gave us a year long ACOD (adjournment in contemplation of dismissal) and it was over with.

 

I wouldn't say people with DWI's don't get anything done to them though, at least in NY the penalties are pretty severe.

 

First NY DWI Offense

Jail – Up to 1 Year

Fine – From $500 to $1,000

License Suspension – 6 Month Minimum

Pay Mandatory Surcharge

Mandatory Alcohol Screening and/or Alcohol Evaluation

 

Other Possibilities

Ignition Interlock Device

Driver Responsibility Assessment

 

Second NY DWI Offense

2nd Drunk Driving Conviction

Felony Charge (Class “E”)

Jail – From 5 Days (Minimum) to 4 Years or,

Community Service – 30 Days

Fine – From $1,000 to $5,000

License Suspension – 1 Year Minimum

Ignition Interlock Device

 

Third NY DWI Offense

3rd Drunk Driving Conviction

Felony Charge (Class “D”)

Jail – From 10 Days (Minimum) to 7 Years or,

Community Service – 60 Days

Fine – From $2,000 to $10,000

License Suspension – 1 Year Minimum

Ignition Interlock Device

Alcohol Assessment

Pay Mandatory Surcharge

[jacksonianmarch]

It isnt a low blow. Look at the comments made before Calling me out. A spade is a spade my friend. Why else would he be saying we cannot assault his character and use cultural excuses for it? If he's gonna go down the road of a flimsy "riding a donkey through the streets of Venezuela" defense and then start assaulting the character of posters on the board for not agreeing with him, then I have to assume there is another reason behind it. Why can't one ask the question when such a ridiculous position is taken to defend a guy who continually puts himself AND others in danger with his actions

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Ok whatever you say.

[jacksonianmarch]

See the Josh Hamilton thread for further evidence

[Dipre]

Jacko, you are pathetic.

 

You've been going through every thread involving DUI's or drug charges, and the best you've come up with is a mention on my part of the fact that morality has gone down the toilet.

 

If you'll notice from the other threads you've been looking at (Joba's mom, Nick Adenhart) etc etc etc i usually don't go all out talking s*** on any of them, and when i talked about the Hamilton issue, i was mostly making mention to the "Alcohol, hookers and blow" thing.

 

I'm not the one here with a holier than thou attitude trying to show people i'm better than them.

 

Point is, BPEF is right. You are the direct opposite of everything i would expect in a health care professional, with that huge ego you've got.

 

Learn some humility buddy. You are better than no one, and your save-face attempt is weak.

 

Look for one quote where i specifically mentioned Hamilton as a "piece of s***, jack-ass" or another insult denigrating his humanity.

 

"When someone else calls you out, pull the race card". If anyone here has racial issues, it's you buddy.

 

I'll wait here.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

It isnt a low blow. Look at the comments made before Calling me out. A spade is a spade my friend. Why else would he be saying we cannot assault his character and use cultural excuses for it? If he's gonna go down the road of a flimsy "riding a donkey through the streets of Venezuela" defense and then start assaulting the character of posters on the board for not agreeing with him' date=' then I have to assume there is another reason behind it. Why can't one ask the question when such a ridiculous position is taken to defend a guy who continually puts himself AND others in danger with his actions[/quote']

 

Using cultural excuses? He said "When you've got enough bloodstream in your alcohol that you take a drink in front of an officer, i don't think you're conscious enough to know if you're driving a car or a donkey."

 

"It all comes down to what decisions he made while conscious, now, none of us knows for sure whether he got drunk to the point where he didn't know what the f*** he was doing, but the fact that he took a drink in front of a cop makes me think he probably thought he was riding a donkey throughout the fair streets of San Felix, Venezuela, and that doesn't give anyone the right to point their finger without knowing what actually happened."

 

I don't know, maybe I'm an idiot, but that doesn't seem like any sort of defense. He's merely saying with those statements that Miguel Cabrera could of been so drunk he blacked out and had no concept of what he was doing at. I could be wrong.

 

Regardless, trying to use the "he's your race so you are defending him because of it" type of line is incredibly stupid. Being latin myself I find it offensive because I agree with Dipre's posts here and would even if Cabrera was white, asain, or anything I am not. Despite what you'd like to believe, hispanics aren't always going to go around blindly following and defending each other. I know I am not stupid enough to do something like that and I am sure Dipre isn't either.

[Emmz]

You are trying to make this issue too black and white. It's not like that at all. Even if he knows drunk driving is illegal' date=' even if he was trying to start his car while drunk meaning he was intending to drive does not mean he was in a conscious state of mind. "He should know better" doesn't mean a damn thing in that situation. It doesn't mean he's innocent, it doesn't mean he didn't make a bad decision, it doesn't mean any sort of thing like that. It means the man has a serious f***ing problem that needs help, a problem that puts himself and others at risk. Beneath the alcohol problem could be another problem, a possible mental issue or something. Let's not make this guy out to be a real piece of s***. [/quote']

 

No one's making him out to be a piece of s***, try reading what I said earlier before you white knight for someone who's got half the board disagreeing with them. I said he was stupid for doing it. Make all the excuses you want, but what would you say had he killed a human being? You can't just pick and choose which scenarios alcoholism covers your ass. My point is very black and white, because this is the way it has to be. If not, who's accountable?

 

And how it was said about blaming the system earlier(by someone else), you seriously think the system shouldn't get any blame for s*** like this happening on a consistent basis? Really? The same system who knows damn well what alcohol does to people, how addictive it is, the s*** it causes, yet allows it to be legal? The same system who just suspends these people's licenses for a month or 2 and give them a few months probation? Screw that. Cabrera got a D.U.I before and admitted to being an alcoholic. Anyone with a D.U.I and admits to being an alcoholic or is known as one should have their license revoked for a year or 2, have to submit to random drug testing for the same amount of time, attend rehab, and have those machines installed in their car that makes them have to pass a Breathalyzer before the car will even start. All this on a first offense. Get caught again and spend jail time and never drive again. Hell, in some states if you're caught driving with even just a marijuana pipe with resin in it or a roach (even if you are sober) you have to go to court, get your license suspended, get probation, and are forced to attend drug classes where you must stand infront of everyone and declare yourself a drug addict, yet booze is way more dangerous than that and half the time those people don't even get anything done to them.

 

The system should be held accountable, but it shouldn't make any difference on the way we view him. He's an idiot for doing this. If you drink and drive, you're an idiot, regardless of your impaired judgment. This is the last time I'm going to split hairs over this issue.

[Dipre]

Using cultural excuses? He said "When you've got enough bloodstream in your alcohol that you take a drink in front of an officer, i don't think you're conscious enough to know if you're driving a car or a donkey."

 

"It all comes down to what decisions he made while conscious, now, none of us knows for sure whether he got drunk to the point where he didn't know what the f*** he was doing, but the fact that he took a drink in front of a cop makes me think he probably thought he was riding a donkey throughout the fair streets of San Felix, Venezuela, and that doesn't give anyone the right to point their finger without knowing what actually happened."

 

I don't know, maybe I'm an idiot, but that doesn't seem like any sort of defense. He's merely saying with those statements that Miguel Cabrera could of been so drunk he blacked out and had no concept of what he was doing at. I could be wrong.

 

Regardless, trying to use the "he's your race so you are defending him because of it" type of line is incredibly stupid. Being latin myself I find it offensive because I agree with Dipre's posts here and would even if Cabrera was white, asain, or anything I am not. Despite what you'd like to believe, hispanics aren't always going to go around blindly following and defending each other. I know I am not stupid enough to do something like that and I am sure Dipre isn't either.

 

It's not a cultural excuse, it is exactly as you say. I was trying to make a joke in order to get my point across without coming off as too confrontational. It has nothing to do with Cabrera's race.

 

I'm usually all-out when it comes to everything, but i'm actually pretty reserved about these types of issues and don't give my opinion completely until i know the specifics of everything.

 

When the Taylor issue came out, a lot of the people who are now attacking Cabrera where all over him, calling him a rapist and s***, while i kept a cool head thinking that maybe that wasn't all there was to it. I was one of the first to post further details of the case.

 

My point is, that it's easy to judge and throw people under the bus, but it's harder to try and see that we are all human, and people make mistakes. Now this doesn't mean that he shouldn't be punished, because he should be, but let's not make him out like he's a piece of s***. He is part of the morality problems with society, but he is getting his punishment. I don't think he's an idiot or piece of s***, and neither is Hamilton. The way for society to not "condone" this type of behavior is by doing what is being done to Cabrera: Punishment.

 

Other than that, we have no right to point fingers. Everyone makes mistakes, and they are no better.

[Emmz]

The dude was drinking, with the intent to drive. Your initial argument wasn't even that he might not have done it, but shaming everyone for calling him stupid, because he's an alcoholic. You're just trying to find a new, less stupid way to play a holy man.

[Dipre]

This is not about you, it was never about you.

 

You jumped in, i responded. I really didn't mean to have to further explain my points and expound on my ideas more than necessary. I did, and so what? My initial point was that he f***ed up, should be punished, but his humanity should not be denigrated with insults. Now you say you're not making him out "to be a piece of s***" and you're one of the people doing the insulting. Which is it?

 

But let me say, that i am frankly disappointed, that you, of all people, are so judgmental.

 

Mistakes are "only mistakes" if one commits them right?

 

Funny how that works.

[Emmz]

Yeah yeah, we're so judgmental, we called him stupid. We must think he's a real monster. I'm not saying he's a piece of s***, never did. He's stupid for even allowing himself to be in this position. Doesn't mean anything really. If my own brother put himself in a position like so, I'd say he was a damn fool.

 

Just the same, LT was stupid for putting himself in a position to have this happen to him. In fact, as I recall, I did lay into LT, but immediately afterward I said that I probably shouldn't have said that, and rather should have waited to see how it turned out.

[SCM33]

Just so everyone understands.......from a guy behind the badge.....

 

If he was in the vehicle, and the keys are in the ignition.....probable cause leads an officer to believe that he either operated, or was attempting to operate the motor vehicle.

 

Every incident has their own specific lingo:

DUI, OUI, DWI......in this case, it is most probable that it was "OUI" or operating under the influence. These do not just pertain to alcohol, they can also mean other legal, or illegal drugs. He declined to take the BAC test, which he would have failed had he had 3 drinks at his weight. Failure to take the BAC test is almost an immediate guilt plee. There are a slew of other "charges" they could have nailed with him but probably didnt, such as resisting arrest, open container, disorderly conduct, assault and battery.

[Emmz]

This is where I say, we'll see how this turns out. Like I said, no judgment from me. Cry all you want, but he's a fool for putting himself in this position, and that's regardless of how this turns out, as I've said all along.

 

I hope he gets the help he needs to deal with his alcoholism.

[jacksonianmarch]

Just so everyone understands.......from a guy behind the badge.....

 

If he was in the vehicle, and the keys are in the ignition.....probable cause leads an officer to believe that he either operated, or was attempting to operate the motor vehicle.

 

Every incident has their own specific lingo:

DUI, OUI, DWI......in this case, it is most probable that it was "OUI" or operating under the influence. These do not just pertain to alcohol, they can also mean other legal, or illegal drugs. He declined to take the BAC test, which he would have failed had he had 3 drinks at his weight. Failure to take the BAC test is almost an immediate guilt plee. There are a slew of other "charges" they could have nailed with him but probably didnt, such as resisting arrest, open container, disorderly conduct, assault and battery.

 

He did get hit with resisting arrest peacefully. But thanks for summing it up

[jacksonianmarch]

Other than that' date=' we have no right to point fingers. Everyone makes mistakes, and they are no better.[/quote']

 

I disagree completely on this. Everyone does make mistakes, but certain mistakes are more excuseable than others. He's already shown he's an alcoholic, a wife beater and a drunk driver. Sounds like a grade A good guy there.../sarcasm

[VA Sox Fan]

Dungy won't give Cabrera the time of day. He's not black.

 

I disagree. Tony Dungy is not like the Jesse Jackson's or Spike Lee's of the world.

[a700hitter]

I disagree completely on this. Everyone does make mistakes' date=' but certain mistakes are more excuseable than others. He's already shown he's an alcoholic, a wife beater and a drunk driver. Sounds like a grade A good guy there.../sarcasm[/quote']He's all hit, no character.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Dipre and BPEF are right on the money. All the people lining up to call him (or anyone with a booze problem) an 'idiot' either doesn't know how alcohol works or is just a douchenozzle in general.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I disagree completely on this. Everyone does make mistakes' date=' but certain mistakes are more excuseable than others. He's already shown he's an alcoholic, a wife beater and a drunk driver. Sounds like a grade A good guy there.../sarcasm[/quote']

So you're implying that mistakes made while sober are more excuseable than mistakes made while drunk. Interesting.

[boy racer]

This wasn't even a mistake, it was a choice. Cabrera is clearly troubled and uses alcohol as a crutch to deal with his problems. He even drank heavily between games. It's only a mistake to him because he was caught.

[a700hitter]

Dipre and BPEF are right on the money. All the people lining up to call him (or anyone with a booze problem) an 'idiot' either doesn't know how alcohol works or is just a douchenozzle in general.

Probably no one on this forum has had more experience with alcohol than me and Spud. We definitely should be nominated for lifetime achievement awards and there were several years where I should have been nominated for drinker of the year. If you want to know about alcohol, ask us. Our livers should go to the Smithsonian after we're done with them. I doesn't make you beat you wife or anyone else. It doesn't make you drive while drunk either. Stupidity is the cause of that.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

So your personal experiences are king, and everything else bunk, huh? Alcohol impairs your judgement. This is a fact. So who are you to say 'alcohol doesn't make anyone beat their wives or drive drunk [lol]'? If you're boozed up and can't help yourself, there's no telling what you'll do. You shouldn't be let off the hook for it, but it's not a reflection on your intelligence either.