Baseball Redraft League Draft and Discussion Thread

[italstallianion]

I doubt that he does, unless someone messages him and forces him to make his damn picks.

[Flynnatic10]

Will I? IDK.

[Flynnatic10]

Just to end this s***

 

James Loney, 1B

Carlos Gomez, OF

 

back to talkpats.

[italstallianion]

It had been so long that I almost forgot how to update the chart.

[EXman369]

Carlos Gomez always kills me in the video game

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

37486904217 years later Flynn makes his pick. Congratulations!

[yankees228]

I apologize if this has already been addressed, but what's the plan going forward for this thing? I understand we'll be doing monthly power rankings, and then the final voting will take place after the season. But when are the windows for adding/dropping and trading, and when are we submitting our initial power rankings?

[italstallianion]

I apologize if this has already been addressed' date=' but what's the plan going forward for this thing? I understand we'll be doing monthly power rankings, and then the final voting will take place after the season. But when are the windows for adding/dropping and trading, and when are we submitting our initial power rankings?[/quote']

 

 

To be honest, I'm not sure about a lot of this, so Dipre and I will discuss it and let you all know as soon as something gets figured out. As for the power rankings, I think that we will do them as soon as EVERYBODY has their lineups mapped out in the clubhouses. Also clearly delineate your rotations and bullpens (LR, MRP, SU, CL) and if you want, you can make a pseudo depth chart too. Once that is done, I think we can set up the initial power rankings.

 

I'm not sure who will collect the power rankings between Dipre and myself, I'd assume myself because Dipre has enough trouble with the messaging system here. Just make sure to NOT INCLUDE YOUR OWN TEAM in the power rankings. So every team should send me a 1-14 ranking.

[yankees228]

To be honest, I'm not sure about a lot of this, so Dipre and I will discuss it and let you all know as soon as something gets figured out. As for the power rankings, I think that we will do them as soon as EVERYBODY has their lineups mapped out in the clubhouses. Also clearly delineate your rotations and bullpens (LR, MRP, SU, CL) and if you want, you can make a pseudo depth chart too. Once that is done, I think we can set up the initial power rankings.

 

I'm not sure who will collect the power rankings between Dipre and myself, I'd assume myself because Dipre has enough trouble with the messaging system here. Just make sure to NOT INCLUDE YOUR OWN TEAM in the power rankings. So every team should send me a 1-14 ranking.

 

OK, will you guys post a deadline for setting our depth charts?

 

One final question. Lets say one of our players suffers a season ending injury early in the season. Will we be able to replace that player on our roster with someone who isn't on any of the teams?

[italstallianion]

OK, will you guys post a deadline for setting our depth charts?

 

One final question. Lets say one of our players suffers a season ending injury early in the season. Will we be able to replace that player on our roster with someone who isn't on any of the teams?

 

 

This is where Dipre and I got into an argument before this started. I personally felt that we should keep the rosters as is, considering injuries occur and you know there'd be controversy over determining what is a serious injury and what isn't, in addition, the affected teams would end up replacing a good to decent player with a player who wasn't even drafted. The way I see it, teams shouldn't be punished if they drafted a player while healthy, and if the injury occured after they were drafted. Dipre felt otherwise, that we should still punish those teams.

 

That was why we originally said to draft 40 man rosters, which would pretty much protect each team from injuries, although we'd have to change the salary cap, reopen this draft, and I think it would be even harder to judge the teams. I'm sure that Dipre will give his 2 cents on the issue.

 

I just think that there has to be a time where we close off the rosters, because there could be some players that surprise people next year, and it wouldn't be fair if we open up free agency to select teams to draft those players.

 

In addition, an idea by Keeper was that we should open up free agency before the season starts, in case some injuries occur during spring training, or if some roles switch during spring training (relievers becoming starters or vice versa). So I think that's a good idea and we should allow free agency before the season begins. I think that once the regular season begins that the rosters should be locked.

[yankees228]

This is a tricky situation. I see both sides to it. The problem is, if we plan on judging teams based on the 2011 performance of their players, how do we approximate the value of a player who got injured and missed most of the season?

 

I'm not sure if this is feasible (due to the fact that it is complicated), but I think we should be able to replace any player that lands on the DL. That way there is no argument over whether or not an injury is serious enough to justify an add/drop, and there is risk involved because the DL'd player may come back healthy and productive.

 

I also think we should go with Keeper's idea.

 

There's no perfect solution to this, and I'm OK with whatever you guys decide to do. I'm just trying to present another alternative.

[italstallianion]

I'd argue to replace a player only if it's a 60 day DL. Or an otherwise clear season ending injury (since sometimes teams keep players on the 15-day DL even if they will be gone for the rest of the season)

[italstallianion]

Plus, I want this to be decided by the drafting and "GM" skills of the players, rather than the luck of the draw injuries. That's why I was hesitant to add trading because a player could put together the "best team" without actually drafting the best team. Some teams have clearly taken advantage of others in trades and put themselves at an advantage over other teams, even if their draft itself wasn't that good. I'd hate to have something like the incompetence of another poster via trade be what decides something like this.

[yankees228]

I'd argue to replace a player only if it's a 60 day DL. Or an otherwise clear season ending injury (since sometimes teams keep players on the 15-day DL even if they will be gone for the rest of the season)

 

Yeah, that would be OK too. If the player is kept on the 15 day DL, but the injury appears to be serious, it can be determined by either you and Dipre, or by a league wide vote, whether or not the owner of the team should be able to drop him.

[Divinity]

I'd hate to have something like the incompetence of another poster via trade be what decides something like this.

 

Isn't the Veto option in place to guard against lopsided trades?

[italstallianion]

Isn't the Veto option in place to guard against lopsided trades?

 

 

It is, but hardly enough players were online at the time, so unless EVERYONE said something, then the trades probably weren't getting vetoed. I thought that a lot of the deals were lopsided, but it wasn't like there was cheating, there was just one team taking advantage over another. I think that every trade had a winner and a loser, and in all fairness, I thought that some of the trades were going to be countered with further roster moves that did not occur.

[Divinity]

It is' date=' but hardly enough players were online at the time, so unless EVERYONE said something, then the trades probably weren't getting vetoed. I thought that a lot of the deals were lopsided, but it wasn't like there was cheating, there was just one team taking advantage over another. I think that every trade had a winner and a loser, and in all fairness, I thought that some of the trades were going to be countered with further roster moves that did not occur.[/quote']

 

I guess the Veto option is pointless then if it requires almost everyone to vote within a small time table, obtaining higher skilled players for lesser skilled players due to a persons incompetence seems like an unfair advantage, it would be sad to see it ultimately being the deciding factor in the end

[italstallianion]

I guess the Veto option is pointless then if it requires almost everyone to vote within a small time table' date=' obtaining higher skilled players for lesser skilled players due to a persons incompetence seems like an unfair advantage, it would be sad to see it ultimately being the deciding factor in the end [/quote']

 

 

It didn't have to be everyone, but nobody vetoed any of the deals. I felt that each deal had a clear winner and loser, but it wasn't worth vetoeing. That doesn't mean that someone didn't get an advantage on everyone else though.

[Divinity]

I suppose thats fine then as long as any trades that are actually veto worthy are permitted to pass.

[Keeper]

Hmm, since we're probably going to have that 2 day free agency period, I think I'll hold off on my list of overlooked players. No sense in helping any of you out.

[yrtb]

Should I be sending in power rankings?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I'm sure Ital or Dipre will let us know when. We're doing rankings every month.

[italstallianion]

At this point I think that every team should have their lineups set by the weekend. Anyone can make a free agency move between now and then, HOWEVER, they have to inherit 100% of the salary of the player they take on, plus 10% of the salary of the player they drop.

 

Once each team has their rosters and lineups set, we can start with the power ranking. I'd expect that teams should start sending in power rankings by Sunday evening/night. I would have said send them to Dipre since he's in charge, but since his messaging doesn't work, you should send your power rankings to me, and DO NOT INCLUDE YOUR OWN TEAM in the rankings, just send me a 1-14 of the other 14 teams.

[Will617]

Are we going to have a section where we make a pitch on how awesome are team is?

[italstallianion]

Are we going to have a section where we make a pitch on how awesome are team is?

 

 

Yes, but that'll come in the voting matchups. IE Each person will have plenty of time to explain why they think they have a better team before anyone is allowed to vote.

[italstallianion]

RSFFL, you need to update your clubhouse.

[italstallianion]

Some others that need to update their clubhouse (and lineups) Y228, Jacoby Ellsbury, Divinity, Exman, Flynnatic, and Forsyth. In addition to RSFFL.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

RSFFL' date=' you need to update your clubhouse.[/quote']

 

I'll do it once I get on a computer. It's a mission to do from my ipod.

[italstallianion]

Almost half of you still need to update your clubhouses/lineups. Make sure you've done so by the end of the weekend so we can start with the initial power rankings.

[italstallianion]

I guess if one doesn't have their lineups set by Sunday evening then we'd do the power rankings without that bit of information. I almost want to say that if you don't have your lineups done, then you can't vote in the power rankings, but at this point it wouldn't work since nearly half of the teams still need to finish their rosters.