NBA Semis: #2 Ital v #3 jbay44

[yrtb]

ital

 

C: Blake Griffin/Roy Hibbert/Cole Aldrich

PF: Dirk Nowitzki/Lamar Odom

SF: Rudy Gay/Wesley Johnson/Kyle Korver

SG: Dwyane Wade/Xavier Henry

PG: Rajon Rondo/Ty Lawson

 

C: Blake Griffin (5,357,280)

PF: Dirk Nowitzki (17,278,618)

SF: Rudy Gay (13,603,750)

SG: Dwyane Wade (14,000,000)

PG: Rajon Rondo (9,000,000)

6th: Roy Hibbert (1,685,280)

7th: Cole Aldrich (2,126,520)

8th: Wesley Johnson (3,726,600)

BN: Lamar Odom (8,200,000)

BN: Ty Lawson (1,546,560)

BN: Xavier Henry (2,020,200)

BN: Kyle Korver (5,000,000)

 

jbay44

 

C: Dwight Howard/Kendrick Perkins

PF: Carlos Boozer/Serge Ibaka/Jeff Green

SF: Gerald Wallace/Jeff Green/Wesley Matthews

SG: OJ Mayo/OJ Mayo/Wesley Matthews/Wayne Ellington (Only playing in garbage time)

PG: Steve Nash/Brandon Jennings/Daniel Gibson

 

C: Dwight Howard ($16,647,180)

PF: Carlos Boozer ($14,400,000)

SF: Gerald Wallace ( $10,500,000)

SG: OJ Mayo: ($4,456,200)

PG: Steve Nash ($10,310,938)

6th: Brandon Jennings ($2,331,120)

7th: Jeff Green ($4,455,988)

8th: Kendrick Perkins ($4,640,208)

BN: Serge Ibaka ($1,204,200)

BN: Wesley Matthews ($5,765,000)

BN: Daniel Gibson ($4,015,334)

BN: Wayne Ellington ($1,078,800)

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Griffin

Nowitzki > Boozer

Gay

Wade > Mayo

Rondo

 

I think Ital and JBay both have a great starting lineup. Ital imo has a slightly better starting lineup. Although JBay may have the better starting lineup by comparison I think Ital would win in a 7 game series.

 

Griffin is a great upcoming player but I can't put him over that monster Howard. Now for Nash and Rondo. I know this is a league where we base people on how they will perform in 3 years but I just can't put Rondo over Nash. I think every other position is self explanatory.

 

Ital also has a better bench. When you have Odom alone on your bench you pretty much get bonus points. I think he has a better bench offensively and maybe defensively.

 

Ital has my vote.

[WhiskeyBreath]

I'm going with Ital in a close one.

 

The 3 years down the line projections really come into play on this match up. The main players affected by this negatively are Nash and Dirk. Dirk isn't quite as old and doesn't play defense anyway so I think the decline isn't as harsh on him.

 

Rondo is the perfect point guard for Ital's squad. He won't have a problem letting Wade, Dirk, and Gay jack up as many shots as they want. 3 years from now, Nash will be 40 years old and is already at a huge disadvantage against the elite speed and defense of Rondo.

 

JBay clearly dominates this match up at the center position. Griffin is going to be a good offensive talent but the guy isn't much of a defender.

 

JBay gets the nod for overall team defense.

 

Bench, I would give the slight edge to Ital.

 

I wasn't as big of a fan with JBay's team as the rest of this league but JBay matches up really well here. I might have voted the other way if he had a better PG. Nash at 40 years old and Jennings just doesn't do it for me. Not a big fan of Jennings for a lot of reasons.

[YanksHater213]

JBay did his depth charts retardedly, but I still think he takes this. Gerald Wallace is one of the best defensive players in the NBA he'll be busy showing Wade who is boss. He's got 2 very strong defensive centers, and ital really has no one who can even think about defending and containing Howard, Perkins, Boozer, and Green. Jbay is very balanced both offensively and defensively, and probably has the most underrated bench in this whole thing.

 

Jbay.

[boston22407]

Griffin

Nowitzki > Boozer

Gay > Wallace

Wade > Mayo

Rondo > Nash

678

Bench > Bench

Ital in a close one

[YanksHater213]

It just f***ing sickens me seeing some of you lazy *******s who refuse to look at the entire picture and take two seconds and say "oh this guy is > this guy this guy is this guy".

 

It really defeats the purpose of this entire exercise.

[italstallianion]

I think that JBay and I both have really good teams, and if it wasn't for WhiskeyBreath's team, I could see this being a finals matchup.

 

Anyway, most of what will be said, has already been said, so I won't waste much time repeating everything. Here are a few things that I'd find important for the matchup.

 

Steve Nash will be 39.5 in 3 years. Dirk is my oldest player (I'm pretty sure at least) and he'd be 35 at that time. I think that his skills would decline quite a bit in that time, and what I think really hurts JBay is that this will be one season 3 years from now, RATHER than over the next 3 years. This means that Nash won't be training Jennings in the meantime and that makes me further doubt that Jennings would become the heir apparent of Nash, especially because Nash is a coveted facilitator while Jennings has more of the star PG/ballhog game.

 

I think another big problem for Jbay's team in a close game is Dwight Howard's free throws. He is a career 59.6% free thow shooter, and Perkins is a 60.4% free throw shooter. The reason why this is a big deal is because based on the matchups, Jbay would be required to go to the frontcourt throughout the game. This is because of the fact that Howard is one of the best players in the game, combined with the fact that my only good defenders are backcourt or mid players. So I'd imagine that Howard would have the ball quite a bit, and he'd be shooting a lot of free throws which would leave a lot of points on the board.

 

On a similar note, an important factor in close games is frontcourt depth. One reason why I voted for Kilo's team to win a few matchups despite having less talented players is the fact that he has not only a great frontcourt, but a deep one. There is going to be a lot of chipping, grinding, and fouling, and I don't think that Howard and Perkins can be on the floor the entire game, and I think that having a deep frontcourt is going to be WAY more important than having a deep backcourt, considering that backcourt players foul less and are in better shape to play more minutes. This means that some of his backcourt players probably won't be playing much since it'll be a close game and a close series.

 

I also think that in a close game, in addition to free throws, that 3 point shooting is going to be big. I feel that I have a lot of capable 3 point shooters (including a couple of 3 point shooting big men) and I believe that I'd have the best 3 point shooter (percentage) on the court in Kyle Korver, who shot 53.6% of 3's last year and was around there this year, albeit until an 0-fer which brought him down to 44.9% in this young season. His best 3 point shooter percentage wise is Nash, who again, might not be much of a factor when he's nearing 40. I believe that in close games, Jbay's poor front court free throw shooting and my diverse portfolio of 3 point shooters would help me in case I needed to come from behind in a game or two, and I have one of the best free throw shooting bigs in Dirk that could help me ice games too.

 

The only other thing I'll say is that I don't have young players just for the sake of having cheap salaries. I truly believe that most of my young players will be stars or at worst, regular contributors. I think that Roy Hibbert and Blake Griffin will be a championship frontcourt for years to come, and I think that Wesley Johnson and Xavier Henry will be elite backcourt scorers. I think that Lawson and Aldrich will become very good role players and come from well coached college programs, and fit very well into my team dynamic.

 

I think that Jbay has a very good team, and I ranked him 2nd in the power rankings behind WhiskeyBreath (ytrb can verify that) but I think that my team is better suited to win close games in championship series, especially one 3 years from now.

[boston22407]

It just f***ing sickens me seeing some of you lazy *******s who refuse to look at the entire picture and take two seconds and say "oh this guy is > this guy this guy is this guy".

 

It really defeats the purpose of this entire exercise.

 

easy easy ,not all of us have the time and sit here and write a essay about a nba draft that in a week no one will look at again

[YanksHater213]

Well if you're gonna vote like a retard, don't bother voting.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

It just f***ing sickens me seeing some of you lazy *******s who refuse to look at the entire picture and take two seconds and say "oh this guy is > this guy this guy is this guy".

 

It really defeats the purpose of this entire exercise.

 

First off calm the f*** down. It's not that serious. It doesn't defeat the purpose of anything because we're still comparing teams in the future. It's not being lazy because I don't want to type half a page report on someones team. It's a f***ing nba draft league give me a break.

[yrtb]

This is a close matchup for sure.

 

Ital has better guards, because although Nash/Jennings is a dynamic duo, Rondo is good enough that a 40 year Nash and a probably still relatively raw dynamic scorer shouldn't be trouble for him on the defensive end, on the boards, or with passing. Mayo is going to be a star in 3 years, but D-Wade will still outscore him for sure.

 

Gerald Wallace will shut down Rudy Gay, and will be sure to grab his fair share of boards as well. I feel the same will happen for Jeff Green over Wesley Johnson.

 

Dirk Nowitzki in the present is better than Carlos Boozer, but 3 years from now I think Boozer will have a step on Nowitzki and will have improved his defensive game enough to be the better defender. Nowitzki's shooting will be key though, as Boozer will probably foul him a lot and that will end up being a lot of FT points. Odom is good, but is aging like Nowitzki, and Ibaka is a great shutdown defender/rebounder who I believe will shut down Odom in 3 years. Dwight Howard and Kendrick Perkins are monsters on the boards and defensive ends, and will dominate Blake Griffin on both ends of the floor. Hibbert and Perkins are very similar types of players, so the X-Factor here is Dwight Howard. Unless Griffin seriously improves his defense in the next 3 years, he will be dominated by Howard.

 

Ital has a lot more explosive scorers, but jbay44 has one of the best defenses in the whole thing, with the obvious exception of Steve Nash. It's really close, but I like jbay44's team here slightly over ital's team due to his team being more balanced and better defensively, and I really like his backup big men (Perkins and Ibaka) shutting down ital's frontcourt.

[yrtb]

3-2 ital

[YanksHater213]

First off calm the f*** down. It's not that serious. It doesn't defeat the purpose of anything because we're still comparing teams in the future. It's not being lazy because I don't want to type half a page report on someones team. It's a f***ing nba draft league give me a break.

 

I don't expect people to waste their time writing a report, but I at least expect people to think about it critically rather than just >.

 

It's kind of a slap in the face to the people who actually put a little bit of time into it to make sure everything ran smoothly and picks were in on time. I understand many people have better things to do, but if you're not going to put a little effort and critical thinking into your voting (not you, I'm just saying everyone in general) then don't vote.

[italstallianion]

This is also the first draft tournament for a bunch of the voters, so hopefully some of the newbies will see how veterans are voting and follow that up accordingly, especially when the NFL redraft starts shortly.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I don't expect people to waste their time writing a report, but I at least expect people to think about it critically rather than just >.

 

It's kind of a slap in the face to the people who actually put a little bit of time into it to make sure everything ran smoothly and picks were in on time. I understand many people have better things to do, but if you're not going to put a little effort and critical thinking into your voting (not you, I'm just saying everyone in general) then don't vote.

 

How do you want us to vote? Do we just rate the entire team or do we go player by player comparison?

 

Whatever way you like

 

I usually do it position by position, rating the depth at each position

 

See the part where ytrb says "whatever way you like". That's exactly what I'm doing.

 

As for you telling me not to vote I haven't voted the past couple rounds because of my knowledge in basketball compared to others. I voted in this thread because last matchup people were complaining "we need people to vote blah blah blah". I'll stick by my player by player comparison throughout this whole thing. It's the same s*** except people go more into detail with it. It's not that big of a deal and if it was ytrb would have told me something about it. No one complained about my method of voting. If anyone wants me to change it please quote me. Just because my methid of voting doesn't satisfy you doesn't mean it's bad and should refrain from voting.

[WhiskeyBreath]

easy easy ' date='not all of us have the time and sit here and write a essay about a nba draft that in a week no one will look at again[/quote']

 

It takes 5-10 minutes to explain why you think one team is better than another. If you can't be bothered doing that, why did you sign up in the f***ing first place?(not singling you out personally boston22407, just sayin')

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

This is also the first draft tournament for a bunch of the voters' date=' so hopefully some of the newbies will see how veterans are voting and follow that up accordingly, especially when the NFL redraft starts shortly.[/quote']

 

This is my last one so I really don't care how the "veterans" post.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

It takes 5-10 minutes to explain why you think one team is better than another. If you can't be bothered doing that' date=' why did you sign up in the f***ing first place?(not singling you out personally boston22407, just sayin')[/quote']

 

He still voted though. Does it really matter whether he writes a sentence or a paragraph?

[WhiskeyBreath]

He still voted though. Does it really matter whether he writes a sentence or a paragraph?

 

Yeah, kinda does actually. It would be nice to devote just a little time to it since we took so long to go through the draft process.

[italstallianion]

He still voted though. Does it really matter whether he writes a sentence or a paragraph?

 

 

 

I think it does matter. It helps explain some rationale behind the decision and it might help put more thought into it. Granted, I'd be angrier at the people that don't vote, but voting one-liners isn't much better. That's what happened often in the baseball redraft which is why Ytrb made it necessary to explain voting in this one. God forbid that this voting ends up like it did back in the baseball redraft, but in my opinion, it has improved a lot, even if a lot of the people here weren't in that redraft. I think we're gradually getting the kinks out, and I think that the voting in the NFL redraft will be even better.

[YanksHater213]

It's not even that, just say something intelligent as to why you think one teams is better than the other.

 

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My f***ing little sisters Chinchilla could do that. If you're going to vote, don't vote like a retard. Like RSSFL's vote in me vs. ital. Sure, maybe ital did have the better team, but at least explain why, especially to two of the people who made their picks in the timeliest fashion and did as much as they could to keep this going. Either say something worthwhile or say nothing at all.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Ok, I've been writing short responses in every thread that I voted and now you guys decided to bring the heat? The contest is almost over and now you guys are addresing me about this. I wanted to make sure how to vote which is why BEFORE I voted I asked yrtb how he wanted me to vote. He responded telling me "whatever way you like". If i recall the voting rules were your reason has to be valid. It never said anything about the length of the post but ok. I see where you guys are coming from though. After all this draft you guys expect more detailed responses which is understandable but you wait until the semi-finals to address me?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

It's not even that, just say something intelligent as to why you think one teams is better than the other.

 

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My f***ing little sisters Chinchilla could do that. If you're going to vote, don't vote like a retard. Like RSSFL's vote in me vs. ital. Sure, maybe ital did have the better team, but at least explain why, especially to two of the people who made their picks in the timeliest fashion and did as much as they could to keep this going. Either say something worthwhile or say nothing at all.

 

Read my last post on page 1 of this thread. I didn't want to vote but in the last matchup people were like "you need to vote" Etc. Etc. Etc.

[YanksHater213]

I just got sick of it, and it's a retarded way to rate a team.

 

That's like saying the Heat are better than the Celtics because they have 3 of the best players in the league. The Celtics are obviously a better team, but looking @ it by position you're led to believe the Heat are better. It's just a retarded way to judge a team, and such a cop out for actually thinking about it.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lol funny cause you decided to tell me in the semi-finals. I've been voting like this since the Flynn vs Coco matchup.

[italstallianion]

In all fairness, in the defense of some of the voters this time around, there haven't been any big upsets caused by crappy voting in this draft. I think the only "upset" was Coco over Flynnatic which was an 8 vs. a 9 matchup. Granted, we were 1 vote away from a 9 seed beating a 1 seed. Anyway I'm not attacking you RSFFL. I just think that the ideal voting should be explained for future drafts and that people should emulate some of the existing voters and voting methods. I'm happy as a clam that the voting has been run more smoothly and better than the MLB redraft, and I'd expect that it would get even better for the NFL draft, so I'm not worried about making examples out of people thus far.

[Youker20]

everybody stop fighting, its the time of the hollidays, its fine to debate, but dont hate.

 

ill vote later, this is too close imo

[yrtb]

I just got sick of it, and it's a retarded way to rate a team.

 

That's like saying the Heat are better than the Celtics because they have 3 of the best players in the league. The Celtics are obviously a better team, but looking @ it by position you're led to believe the Heat are better. It's just a retarded way to judge a team, and such a cop out for actually thinking about it.

 

I honestly think the Heat - Celtics is the worst way to look at this. If you look at it like that...

 

Perkins > s***

KG = Bosh

Pierce

Allen

Rondo > Arroyo

Celtics Bench >>> Heat Bench

 

Honestly, I don't like the method much either, but it's better than nobody voting, and significantly better than the MLB Redraft. Half of the MLB Redraft votes were something along the lines of...

 

________ has a better team or...

________ because he has Ubaldo Jimenez

 

like seriously, I almost lost to Suns because of retarded voting like that

 

And honestly, these two teams (ital and jbay44) are WAY too close for there to be a bad vote. In a future NBA Redraft, I'd like to have 20 teams, because otherwise the NBA is way too deep in depth for there to be clear differences between teams

[Youker20]

im pretty sure shaq starts at C, perkins is out till like february

[yrtb]

Well I'm looking at who would start if everyone was healthy. Anyways, I still like Shaq over whoever starts on the Heat