Red Sox contact Boras about Jayson Werth.

[GoBruins2011]

Yeah..that would be great... Then we could watch him begin another DL Train.. His knees are toast.. Terrible idea.

 

lol at Beltran. That guy is made of glass.

[WhiskeyBreath]

He has lost some range' date=' but he is healthy, and he would be very motivated because he'd be playing for his next contract. I think the one year commitment to Beltran would be preferable to committing for 4 or 5 years for Werth.[/quote']

 

I'm not a huge Beltran fan at this point of his career because of his injuries but I would MUCH rather have him in instead of Werth.

 

Dice K for Beltran? I'm sure both have NTC but I just don't see Theo interested in a guy like Beltran for 2011.

[Spudboy]

He has lost some range' date=' but he is healthy, and he would be very motivated because he'd be playing for his next contract. I think the one year commitment to Beltran would be preferable to committing for 4 or 5 years for Werth.[/quote']

 

lol at Beltran. That guy is made of glass.

 

I'd rather see Kalish in left, even though I believe he should start the year in Pawtucket.

 

I have two concerns with Beltran.

 

Buy-in price, and health.

 

Of course, a700 has more knowledge about the Mets, so I won't dismiss the idea.

 

For one year.

[a700hitter]

I'd rather see Kalish in left, even though I believe he should start the year in Pawtucket.

 

I have two concerns with Beltran.

 

Buy-in price, and health.

 

Of course, a700 has more knowledge about the Mets, so I won't dismiss the idea.

 

For one year.

He's no longer a 5 tool guy, maybe a 4 to 4.5 tools. He was moving well at the end of last year and appeared to be healthy.

[SoxSport]

Beltran, no.Another one of those bad Mets FA signings. I wouldn't deal with Sandy Alderson either. He's too smart. You won't see any more dumb FA moves by the Mets with him running the show.

 

I'd like to see the Red Sox keep Ellsbury and Kalish, and make them both regular outfielders. Lotta speed there. And Kalish has some pop.

 

I would be happier if Theo had let Papi walk and signed VMart, who is a very versatile player. But Theo is very creative, and has Papi for only one year.

He has a few cards to deal in the next couple of weeks.

[a700hitter]

And Kalish has some pop.

.710 OPS ...maybe he pops his bubblegum.

[jacksonianmarch]

If the sox went to Kalish in LF and Ells in CF with Beltre and VMart being gone, then yes, I would say the sox are cooked

[example1]

Of course you would. Kalish and Ellsbury have no redeeming value in the OF.

 

If they were on any other contending team you would see that as nothing more than trying to have a young player break the big squad, but if it is the Red Sox and they put someone out there who isn't some other team's expensive reject, they are inferior.

 

The Rays lose Pena, Crawford, Benoit, Soriano etc., and everyone is freaking out about whether the Sox can POSSIBLY beat them with 'only' Ortiz, Youkilis, Pedroia, Drew, Ellsbury, Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, etc.,

 

The Sox make a strategic decision to let some players walk rather than paying their asking price, and it is suddenly a team that can't contend. Jesus.

 

Folks, this team will be fine. Ownership has no interest in letting them s*** the bed in 2011, 2012, 2013 etc., It just won't happen. There is too much money and too many jobs on the line. Have some f***ing faith, for crying out loud.

[Keeper]

.710 OPS ...maybe he pops his bubblegum.

 

As a 22-year old in 179 PAs. And it was .808 in his last 94 PAs.

[BSN07]

Of course you would. Kalish and Ellsbury have no redeeming value in the OF.

 

If they were on any other contending team you would see that as nothing more than trying to have a young player break the big squad, but if it is the Red Sox and they put someone out there who isn't some other team's expensive reject, they are inferior.

 

The Rays lose Pena, Crawford, Benoit, Soriano etc., and everyone is freaking out about whether the Sox can POSSIBLY beat them with 'only' Ortiz, Youkilis, Pedroia, Drew, Ellsbury, Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, etc.,

 

The Sox make a strategic decision to let some players walk rather than paying their asking price, and it is suddenly a team that can't contend. Jesus.

 

Folks, this team will be fine. Ownership has no interest in letting them s*** the bed in 2011, 2012, 2013 etc., It just won't happen. There is too much money and too many jobs on the line. Have some f***ing faith, for crying out loud.

 

It's amazing how many people turn into "Chicken Little" when something happens.

[a700hitter]

It's amazing how many people turn into "Chicken Little" when something happens.

The Tigers have come out of the box strong. The Sox had better not sit too long drawing a line in the sand. If Crawford, Werth and Beltre slip away, and the Yankees sign Lee, there will be no jou in Fenway in 2011. They need to make a bold move after losing VMart.

[BSN07]

The Tigers have come out of the box strong. The Sox had better not sit too long drawing a line in the sand. If Crawford' date=' Werth and Beltre slip away, and the Yankees sign Lee, there will be no jou in Fenway in 2011. They need to make a bold move after losing VMart.[/quote']

 

Yes Detroit has come out swinging. Doesn't mean the Sox have to match them to stay competitive. I'm going out on a limb and saying if the Sox only manage to mend the BP and not add any big pieces on the offensive side they will still be good enough to contend for a playoff spot. This team was in it until the last couple weeks of the season with a M.A.S.H. unit running out there every game. I think they could manage with Lowrie at 3B, Ellsbury, Cameron, Kalish, Drew in the OF and some platoon at C with Salty going into next season. I'm not saying that's the ideal situation, but if it comes to it I would expect the team to be competitive non the less.

[Palodios]

Except that we can't necessarily anticipate a perfect health season next year. Ortiz probably won't hit 30 bombs, and the entire outfield is a wildcard. And remember what kind of production we got at C last year? That wasn't pretty.

[Dojji]

Kaloish is a legit 5 tool prospect that isn't that far off. I don't think it would be that terrible an idea to just run with him, if he can hit .270 or higher all the other rate stats will look very good and the speed and baserunning ability he has is high caliber. Give him a couple years and he'd be a heck of a leadoff type, Damonesque almost. Add his power projectability, which is nontrivial, and you have a guy who's worth getting a little excited about. He's got upside in the .290/.360/.450 20 HR 30 SB range if it all clicks, and the stat guys like his chances of clicking.

 

I wouldn't crowd the outfield with expensive over-30 players right now with him in the wings, with Drew, Ellsbury and Cameron already on contract I don't think going after a big name FA outfielder is really as plausible as it appears.

[a700hitter]

Yes Detroit has come out swinging. Doesn't mean the Sox have to match them to stay competitive. I'm going out on a limb and saying if the Sox only manage to mend the BP and not add any big pieces on the offensive side they will still be good enough to contend for a playoff spot. This team was in it until the last couple weeks of the season with a M.A.S.H. unit running out there every game. I think they could manage with Lowrie at 3B' date=' Ellsbury, Cameron, Kalish, Drew in the OF and some platoon at C with Salty going into next season. I'm not saying that's the ideal situation, but if it comes to it I would expect the team to be competitive non the less.[/quote']If that's what we go north with in April, I'll ask that Spud start the Unofficial Hot Stove thread on opening day. With that roster-- no VMart, Beltre, Crawford or Werth and with Kalish and Lowrie as everyday starters and Cameron as the only RH OF, the Sox will be a boring non-entity that will not be competitive for anything after June. I don't think you have to worry about that limb. I can't see the FO letting that happen.

[a700hitter]

Kaloish is a 5 tool prospect that isn't that far off. I don't think it would be that terrible an idea to just run with him, if he can hit .270 or higher all the other rate stats will look very good and the speed and baserunning ability he has is high caliber. Give him a couple years and he'd be a heck of a leadoff type, Damonesque almost. Add his power projectability, which is nontrivial, and you have a guy who's worth getting a little excited about.

 

I wouldn't crowd the outfield with expensive over-30 players right now with him in the wings, with Drew, Ellsbury and Cameron already on contract I don't think going after a big name FA outfielder is really as plausible as it appears.

I guess you must be lowering your expectations so you won't be disappointed. An OF of Drew, Ellsbury, Cameron and Kalish is a joke if they want to be competitive.

[Palodios]

I wouldn't crowd the outfield with expensive over-30 players right now with him in the wings' date=' with Drew, Ellsbury and Cameron already on contract I don't think going after a big name FA outfielder is really as plausible as it appears.[/quote']

 

Between the three of those guys, they have a grand total of 2 guaranteed years between them. Adding one expensive piece wouldn't hurt a thing.

[GoBruins2011]

I guess you must be lowering your expectations so you won't be disappointed. An OF of Drew' date=' Ellsbury, Cameron and Kalish is a joke if they want to be competitive.[/quote']

 

Correct. What cracks me up is posters here think 89 plus wins is realistic with a lineup such as

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Youkilis

Ortiz

Drew

Scutaro

Saltalamacchia

Cameron

Lowrie

 

And then to top off the laugh

 

Papelbon legit

Bard legit

Okijima lmao!! league has figured that one out

Atchinson lolol stop it

 

Can't remember the rest of the bafoons they found or had in that pen hope thats a good thing I forgot about them.

[Rdsxmbnt]

There is zero chance the FO lets Beltre/Martinez walk and then doesn't fill a corner OF/corner IF spot with a big-time hitter. Not with Crawford/Werth on the FA market and a lot of money to spend.

[Palodios]

There is zero chance the FO lets Beltre/Martinez walk and then doesn't fill a corner OF/corner IF spot with a big-time hitter. Not with Crawford/Werth on the FA market and a lot of money to spend.

 

This is very true, and if you're a skeptic, then realized their tv show will lose its ratings if they don't.

[BSN07]

Except that we can't necessarily anticipate a perfect health season next year. Ortiz probably won't hit 30 bombs' date=' and the entire outfield is a wildcard. And remember what kind of production we got at C last year? That wasn't pretty.[/quote']

The RF fence is moving in 10 feet. He could hit 40 LOL

If that's what we go north with in April' date=' I'll ask that Spud start the Unofficial Hot Stove thread on opening day. With that roster-- no VMart, Beltre, Crawford or Werth and with Kalish and Lowrie as everyday starters and Cameron as the only RH OF, the Sox will be a boring non-entity that will not be competitive for anything after June. I don't think you have to worry about that limb. I can't see the FO letting that happen.[/quote']

I'm just saying it's a possibility.

This is very true' date=' and if you're a skeptic, then realized their tv show will lose its ratings if they don't.[/quote']

 

I'm just not sure I seem them giving the 100M+ contracts that those two particular players want. What seems more likely is that they go with who they currently have. Or make a trade. This could range from Upton(young long term commitment) to Beltran(Veteran on a one year deal).

 

As far as the infield goes, with the way things are playing out I see either Lowrie or Youk at 3B and Lee type or Youk at 1B to open the season. In either scenario the offense will be built more like TB then the Yankees. But they will score runs. Which with the Sox pitching staff should make them competitive. That and they have to manage at least a league average BP.

[Palodios]

Ownership is clearly upset by the ratings, and has explicitly said they'll make some big moves this off-season. They overpaid for Drew, Lackey, Dice-k, Lowell, Beckett... if they want fans to keep coming, they have to gain more than they lose this year.

[BSN07]

Ownership is clearly upset by the ratings' date=' and has explicitly said they'll make some big moves this off-season. They overpaid for Drew, Lackey, Dice-k, Lowell, Beckett... if they want fans to keep coming, they have to gain more than they lose this year.[/quote']

 

Fair point.

[SoxSport]

Folks' date=' this team will be fine. Ownership has no interest in letting them s*** the bed in 2011, 2012, 2013 etc., It just won't happen. There is too much money and too many jobs on the line. Have some f***ing faith, for crying out loud.[/quote']

 

Have to agree. Lots of yelling about not enough hitting last year. That wasn't true, either.

[SoxSport]

Ownership is clearly upset by the ratings' date=' and has explicitly said they'll make some big moves this off-season. They overpaid for Drew, Lackey, Dice-k, Lowell, Beckett... if they want fans to keep coming, they have to gain more than they lose this year.[/quote']

 

Drew has been a nice player, but you never get true value dealing with a shark like Boras.Lackey looks bad, but he could get better. Beckett won them a championship. He's bound to get better. Lowell was a good investment until the hip injury. Dice-K , in my view, sucks. Trade him.

 

I want to see more pitching. Screw the hitters. It's all about pitching in the playoffs. Look at the no-name Giants.