Yankees 2010-2011 Hotstove Thread

[example1]

I agree that it doesnt seem to make sense on the surface. But I read an article when this first broke about how the Twins think they will get more if they deal him with a full yr left on his contract. I have a feeling the Twins are going to deal him by the start of the 2012 season. And if they drop out of the race early' date=' I have a feeling he gets moved. He isnt resigning in Minny, we all know that, but I doubt he gets moved this spring or even until July at the earliest[/quote']

 

They wouldn't trade Montero for Liriano, would they? I think Montero should be pretty much untouchable at this point, especially with the supposed depth of the Yankees system at this point.

[Meh]

I jizzed my pants when Betances pitched that inning. DAMN.

[jacksonianmarch]

I didnt get to watch it. But I saw he struck out the side and walked one. Not bad. If we were to get Liriano, I think he'd be the guy to go.

[Divinity]

Betances hit 97mph on the radar as well

[jacksonianmarch]

Just saw some of his pitches off a Yankee website. Hoo boy. 95-97 with a knee-buckling curve. He has awesome stuff

[Meh]

I didnt get to watch it. But I saw he struck out the side and walked one. Not bad. If we were to get Liriano' date=' I think he'd be the guy to go.[/quote']

 

I was thinking the same I thought the Twins would ask for Manny and settle for Dellin, but now I'm not too sure I'd deal him. He looked legit. Really I'm fine with Nova in the 4th spot. If Garcia can do anything in the 5th at all then meh we'll see where we are in the summer.

[jacksonianmarch]

The way that I think about it is this. We could get very lucky. Good health, a bounceback yr from AJ, progression into #2 for Hughes and solid performances out of Nova and Garcia. We all know that those all wont happen. Someone will get hurt. Hughes might stay as a mid rotation starter for 2011. AJ's woes might continue. Garcia and Colon could be off the roster by April and Nova could show some significant jitters as a rookie. Regardless, I think that something in the middle will happen. And if that is the case, lets postulate....

 

Let's say...

CC has good health

Hughes makes progression

AJ continues to be a 5ERA pitcher

Nova shows he can be a 4.50ERA pitcher in the majors

Garcia's shoulder rips apart and a parade of rookies ensues.

 

That's a 60% success rate for the season in the rotation. I'd take that, more than half broke right. In that scenario, we still need a big league starter. So, in all likelihood, we are gonna need a big league starter. Then you need to look at what players you want and what you are willing to give up...

 

1. Top shelf- These are the aces of aces. Sabathia, Lester, Felix, Lee, and maybe a few more. This is the elite of the elite. Right now, none are on the table, although by the beginning of 2012, I expect one of these pitchers to be available. So, let's say Felix comes available in 2011. What would you be willing to give up? For me, this is the ONLY move that is appropriate to include Montero in. For this one, you'd need 4 players going back to Seattle

A. Jesus Montero

B. A choice of Chamberlain, Betances, Brackman, or Banuelos

C. Second tier starter like David Phelps or Hector Noesi

D. Second tier offensive player like Brandon Laird

 

Then you have your top of the rotation starters. Guys who anchor a good staff and in NY would slide in well into the #2 spot, but arent the elite. This is where Liriano fits into. His stuff is electric, but his warts make his reliability a bit sketchy. For Liriano, I wouldnt include Montero or Banuelos, but it will be a 4 player deal

A. Betances, Brackman, or Chamberlain

B. Second tier starter like Phelps, Noesi, Warren, etc..

C. Keeping Montero allows you to deal Romine here

D. Second tier relief prospect like Mullee, Flannery, Duff, etc.

 

Then there are the good pitchers who are either past their prime or not dominant enough to lead a staff. This is where I would put Carpenter and Carmona. For these guys, only Brackman from the B's is included and it's only a 3 player deal

A. Brackman

B. Laird or Melky Mesa

C. second tier starter

 

This is how I look at our trade proposals and they will certainly change come mid season. But we have the Killer B's who are all ace potential pitchers in the high minors, plus a massive plethora of mid range pitchers who safely project into the middle of a rotation. And, IMO, we could get one of these deals without coming close to gutting our farm

[jacksonianmarch]

Not to be outdone, Manny Banuelos face VMart, Peralta and Inge and set them down 1-2-3 with 2 strikeouts.

[jacksonianmarch]

Through 14 games, the offseason signings have panned out pretty well sans the biggest one. Although Sori looked good tonight. Martin has been awesome. Looks like Yogi back there. Good pop, great intensity, good arm, speed, everything. Love this guy. Chavez has been a hell of a backup. Colon and Garcia have been pleasantly surprising as well

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

How is Jones?

[Meh]

How is Jones?

 

H's doing his job. He hasn't played too much but when he does he always seems to make some kind of impact during the game. Chavez and Jones are doing well, want to see Jeter get a day off this week and have Nunez at SS. Molina called a beautiful game as well, but I'm anxious to get Cervelli back.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jones might become out starting LFer if Gardner continues to struggle

[yankees228]

H's doing his job. He hasn't played too much but when he does he always seems to make some kind of impact during the game. Chavez and Jones are doing well' date=' want to see Jeter get a day off this week and have Nunez at SS. Molina called a beautiful game as well, but [b']I'm anxious to get Cervelli back.[/b]

 

Why?

[Meh]

Why?

 

Martin can't keep catching everyday... and Molina can't hit a baseball

[yankees228]

Martin can't keep catching everyday... and Molina can't hit a baseball

 

And Cervelli was terrible defensively last year, which is the backup catcher's primary responsibility. And Cervelli is hardly a good offensive player ... .315 wOBA last year driven by a .316 BABIP.

[jacksonianmarch]

Burnett vs Drabek. Burnet cruises through the first 2 hitters. Goes up 1-2 and decides to challenge Bautista up and in. Good f***ing idea, dumbass. 1-0 and Burnett mailed in the AB to Lind. We'll see if the mental midget crumbles

[yankees228]

Burnett vs Drabek. Burnet cruises through the first 2 hitters. Goes up 1-2 and decides to challenge Bautista up and in. Good f***ing idea' date=' dumbass. 1-0 and Burnett mailed in the AB to Lind. We'll see if the mental midget crumbles[/quote']

 

Not watching because of Knicks but ... hooray Yankees pitch selection!

[jacksonianmarch]

1-1. Posada with the big hit. Cmon Gardner, break out here

[jacksonianmarch]

Martin bounces into DP, but a run scores. 2-1 Yanks

[yankees228]

How does Drabek look so far?

[jacksonianmarch]

Stuff is dynamite, he just doesnt have an answer for the Yankee patience. He doesnt locate well enough to face this lineup. Either he starts leaving it over the plate or he wont be long for the game

[jacksonianmarch]

AJ needs to stop throwing first pitch fastballs down the middle. This is a dead red team, go to the breaking ball or change early in the counts

[yankees228]

Stuff is dynamite' date=' he just doesnt have an answer for the Yankee patience. He doesnt locate well enough to face this lineup. Either he starts leaving it over the plate or he wont be long for the game[/quote']

 

I gotcha. Really wanted to see him, and was disappointed when I saw that the Knicks were playing on the same night.

[jacksonianmarch]

f*** you Burnett. Garbage f***ing play. f***ing retard douche. Runner on 2nd, grounder to Burnett, he has Bautista caught in a rundown and he f***ing throws it away. Dumbass piece of s***. f*** you.

[yankees228]

Turned it on just in time to see that wonderful play. Derek is becoming more and more useless.

 

EDIT: Not the greatest throw, but Jeter needs to make that catch.

[jacksonianmarch]

I put that on Burnett. How do you not give Jeter a ball anywhere between his knees and shoulders? Regardless, cost us a f***ing run

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I love Jacko's mini outburst It's not that serious but how come you're not posting in the Yankees gamethread?

[jacksonianmarch]

Oops, didnt notice

[Meh]

I see Cubs writers think they can get Gardner plus good prospects for Z.... and with us taking on the money. No thanks...

[Palodios]

Padres writers were saying Ellsbury+ Buchholz for A-gon was a possibility before the 2010 season. Its all speculation, and sometimes not really worthwhile speculation at that.